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Submitted by dabrownman on February 7, 2012 - 1:17pm Brachflachen Mehrere Vollkombrot - Version 4Well, I am happy as punch with the latest version of my multi grain challah bread that is baked at 450F and steamed in the oven for 20 minutes -verses the cloche. But, I am disappointed I was not able to control my experiment to find out if the cloche or oven steaming method was better. The higher temperature worked best for both but, this attempt, the bread rose much higher and faster than the Wagner Ware loaf even though both were identical in every way. The only thing I can think of is that the starter, which was the same for each, was more mature and stronger than it was the week before. I noticed this time, during the levain build, it doubled in 4 hours instead of the 8 hours it took the last time. This is a new SD starter that is less than 3 weeks old (started the sourdolady way). When the loaf went into the baking pan it appeared to be exactly like the cloched loaf. But, the version 4, did rise higher during fermentation and it also rose higher in the fridge during retard and rose higher after it was taken out of the fridge this morning - even thought the retard was 6 hours less and the final rise before the oven was 2 hours less. All things considered, I think that either cloched or baked in a steamed oven, this bread works equally well both ways and it shows that that a fully mature and strong starter with a proper build is essential to bread making. I had half a loaf of the clotched verion 3 to compare in the photos that follow. The version 4 crum is far superior, lighter and open. The crust is the same as the clotched. I like the taste of the clotched better propably because it was hours longer in the making and developed more SD flavor. I think I can reproduce version 4 and will figure out a way to slow it down and make the flavor a litttle better.
What can Ido to improve this bread now. Autolayse the flour before adding the levain. Cut down the amount of levain to extend the time. lower the temp of the ferment and post retard? Any thing else? Here are the pics before retard. After retard
After poor slash - My worse bread making skill by far
In the oven
20 minutes later steam comes out
Oven off and door craked open - temp 205 F
Version 4 twice as high as version 3
crumb shot and others
Submitted by dabrownman on February 4, 2012 - 5:19pm 1930's Magnalite Wagner Ware Roaster Used As Cloche for Multi-grain SD Challah
After changing my Multi grain Challah recipe to make it a S&F long ferment and retard bread, I decided to see if baking it in a cloche would make for an even better every day sandwich bread. My Mother In Laws old Warner Ware Roaster 13" X 10" X 8" high seemed to be the only thing we own that might fit the bill. I also has a nice rack to hold the bread pan off the bottom. I heated the oven to 500 F (convection on) and put the entire roaster in the oven to heat up for 45 minuted. No normal steam at all. Once the roaster was hot ,I easily dropped the loaf pan in with oven mitts on and baked the loaf in the covered roaster for the first 20 minutes, turning the temperature down to 450 F convection. The loaf, before it went into the roaster, had doubled in size from the overnight retard even though it still only came half way up the pan. I was making a small test loaf. The spring was an additional 100% as the finished loaf doubled again in the roaster. After 20 minutes I took the roaster out of the oven, took the bread out of it and put the bread back into the oven to reach 200 F in the center of the loaf. I then turned off then oven, cracked the door open and allowed the crust to dry. The only thing I can say is that this might be the best loaf of this bread I have ever baked. The crust was very dark brown with light brown specks. Just beautiful!! It was crispy crunchy yet still chewy. The crumb was moist, light and also speckled with light brown flakes. It tasted fantastic. I bake this bread every week and this was by far the best. I will bake it this way from now on. The previous attempt I baked at 350 F with steam so the higher temperature played a big part I am sure. So I will bake it next time the old way, No Cloche, but at the higher temperature to see what effects that has on this bread. And who wouldn't want this bread to sop up a nice Garbonzo Bean Soup? Submitted by dabrownman on February 3, 2012 - 11:41am Brachflachen Mehrere Vollkombrot
Before TFL came into my world, I had a multi grain, seeded, SD challah that I baked every week for my daily sandwich loaf. I called it my made up name Brachflachen Mehrere Vollkombrot. It was the standard; mix about 20 ingredients, kneed for 10 minutes let rise, punch down, let rise in the loaf pan, egg wash, slash and bake a 350 until 205 F. It took about 8 hours from start to finish - and I thought that was slow bread!! After finding out the slow bread was really 3 days - not 8 hours, I converted my old recipe to make it take nearly forever to make - instead of just a really long time :-) Now it is a 12 hour levain build, long S&F ferment, long retard and long after fridge rise bread. I really like the way it came out. Nice dark crispy, crunchy crust with Nijella and sesame seeds, soft, moist, small holed crumb with subtle SD taste that made great tasting toast too. It is still my favorite sandwich challah loaf . The second shot of the crub says a lot about me and my foodie nature. Home made; challah, dijon mustard, pickles, cheese, meat and home grown; lettuce and tomatoes. The 3rd shot means it is home made Aranchello, Minneochello and Limochello time too !!!!! Submitted by loydb on December 23, 2011 - 9:33pm [ITJB Challenge] Week 3 - Honey Whole Wheat Challah (with bonus bread!)Today was the final stretch before heading to the in-laws for Christmas. I spent pretty much the whole day in the kitchen, minus a trip to the grocery store. The takeaway: First, this was week 3 of the Inside the Jewish Bakery challenge. I haven't actually gotten to taste the results, so my comments are limited. I did a four-high braid, and had a little trouble getting the ends to stick together. I ended up wetting my fingers and kind of blending it, which seemed to work. There are some shots of the initial braiding and the final rise at the bottom. On top of the two challah loaves, I also did a pullman pan full of PR's pannetone recipe. I used dried strawberriers, dried orange-infused cranberries, and dried sour cherries that I soaked for a day in apple brandy (plus the vanilla and orange extract). For the nuts, I used 5 oz of macadamias and 2 oz of almonds. Finally, another pan of Mohn bars from week one of the ITJB.
Submitted by Urchina on December 17, 2011 - 9:36am ITJB Week 3: Honey Whole Wheat Challah (p. 31), 12/17/11 - 12/24/11I'd never made challah before test-baking for ITJB, and just loved the beauty and ease of it. I chose this bread for this week because our traditional Christmas Eve dinner is clam chowder with homemade bread (usually Swedish limpa). This year I'm going to substitute this challah for the limpa -- different culture, equally festive. I'm especially looking forward to the variety of braids we come up with -- I tested the six-strand bakery braid in the book and it's a stunner and not as hard as it appears. Looking forward to seeing (and yes, finally, posting) some great pictures this week! Submitted by SadieRose on November 16, 2011 - 10:15pm Perfecting ChallahHello all, I am a novice bread baker who has fallen head over heels for challah. Maybe it's the Hebrew roots of my name, Sadie, or maybe it's the amazing eggy deliciousness that is challah. Either way, I would like to perfect this bread and as a novice it's hard to know what exactly I am doing wrong since there seem to be so many variables in the science of bread baking. This is the challah that came out of my oven not 15 minutes ago:
While the braid is obviously not perfect, what I'm bothered by is the way that the braid is coming apart and appears to stretch and pull. To be honest, I have never had challah made by anyone but me, so I don't know if the texture or flavor is wrong. All I know is that the challah that I make I enjoy--but this braid issue really has me bothered! I love baking pretty things, and this just isn't cutting it. Plus, I'm worried that this could be affecting the flavor and/or texture of the challah and I just don't know because I've never had the real thing. The recipe I used is here: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/10809/sweet-vanilla-challah Thanks in advance, Sadie Submitted by richkaimd on November 2, 2011 - 12:34pm Does anyone have a baker's formula for a challah which uses whole eggs?I'm expected to make 50 challahs in a couple of weeks. Does anyone have a formula which uses whole eggs instead of only yolks? The recipe I've preferred to use in the past does not use weights or percentages. It assumes that the baker's going to make 3X1.5lb loaves. Submitted by jamesjr54 on October 9, 2011 - 6:01pm Today's Bake: Honey Whole Wheat ChallahOur friends from Israel (wife) and Idaho (husband) joined us for a bike ride today as temperatures in New England hit 80F! So challah was on the menu. I used the Honey Whole Wheat from the front page. Came out wonderful. Perfect compliment to grilled salmon with garlic chive butter; steak tips with Santa Maria Seasoning; tomato, cucumber feta salad; and grilled eggplant from the garden. We ate the sesame seed version and sent the poppy seeded one home with our friends. She said it looked like the challah you get in Jerusalem from the home-style bakeries. She's being nice, I know, but I took it as a compliment!
Submitted by Floydm on September 28, 2011 - 11:10am Honey Whole Wheat ChallahReprinted with permission from Stanley Ginsberg's and Norman Berg's Inside the Jewish Bakery: Recipes and Memories from the Golden Age of Jewish Baking.
Submitted by dmsnyder on September 4, 2011 - 10:43pm This weekend's baking: Tartine Basic Country Bread & Maggie Glezer's Sourdough Challah as a pan loafThe Basic Country Bread from Tartine Bread is among my favorites, but I haven't baked it in a while. After my positive experience with Central Milling's "Organic Fine Whole Wheat" flour used to make the whole wheat bread from BBA, I wanted to try it in the Tartine BCB. In summary, it was wonderful.
I shaped the loaves as bâtards and proofed them in cotton-lined brotformen. They were baked on my baking stone with my usual steaming method, rather than in cast iron dutch ovens. My starter was very frisky this weekend, and the loaves got somewhat over-proofed. The bloom suffered, but I got great oven spring and the crumb structure was nice. The crust was crunchy, and the flavor was delicious as always. I have made Maggie Glezer's "own" challah in the sourdough version several times. (See Sourdough Challah from "A Blessing of Bread") I really like the mild sourdough tang on top of the honey sweetness and eggy richness of this bread. Today, for the first time, I baked the challah as pan loaves. I decided to do this both to save a little time - this recipe requires a good 9 hours all together on the day the bread is baked - and because my plan was to use the bread for toast and french toast.
I divided the dough into six equal parts and shaped each as a round. Each pan got three rounds. When I was a child, the local Jewish bakery made what they called "egg bread" in this shape. I don't know if they used the same dough they shaped as braided challot, but the recipe for egg bread in Greenstein's Secrets of a Jewish Baker is less enriched than his challah. The 470 g of dough in each pan turned out to be too little to fill the pans after the dough had tripled in volume. Consequently, the profile of the loaves is less high than what I had intended, even with very good oven spring. Otherwise, I count this a success.
Happy Baking! David
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