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Artisan Bread in Five Minutes A Day

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colinwhipple

Artisan Bread in Five Minutes A Day

The publishers seem to have greatly underestimated demand for this book. Amazon.com and Borders are both out of stock, and the copies ordered by the Orange County Library system are not in yet.

Colin

 

Floydm's picture
Floydm

Indeed. Jeff said they are about to go into the fourth printing and that (knock on wood) it should be showing up again on Amazon and elsewhere in mid-January.

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fleur-de-liz

This book is available at barnesandnoble.com

colinwhipple's picture
colinwhipple

A few hours after my original post I checked Amazon.com again, and their status had changed from expected in on Jan. 4 to in stock.  So I put in an order.

Colin

 

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Trishinomaha

I've made the rye and and Italian Semolina from the book. Both very good - I think it's worth a look...

 

Trish

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TableBread

I will be honest, I haven't even heard of this bread.  What is the big deal?  What makes this book better than any of the others?

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Trishinomaha

The two things that distinquish this bread are that it's practically no knead (I did do a little stretch and fold at the end of the rise time)...and it can be reserved in the fridge for up to eight days. Since there are only two of us here most times you can keep a full batch (four loaves) at the ready in the fridge or the "cold room" (in this case my very cold garage)  and then take a pound or so and warm up a bit, shape and rise a bit and you've got fresh bread for dinner. For those of us who work all day this is a real help.

Trish

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colinwhipple

My main interest is the claim that the dough can be refrigerated for longer than I have seen recommmended elsewhere.  For example, in BBA Reinhart says his pate fermente and some other recipes can be refrigerated for up to three days.  Hertzberg says up to 14 days for his method.

I am wondering if Reinhart was just being cautious when saying three days, or if Hertzberg has a different technique that allows a longer period, or what? 

I don't feel a need to go up to 14 days, but refrigerating dough for 4-7 days would give greater flexibility for preparing dough on weekends to bake fresh bread during the week.  I want to read the details of what Hertzberg has to say.

Colin 

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TableBread

I'm sorry I meant that I had never heard of the BOOK not the bread (blush) that's what I meant ;) sorry.

 

What's the big deal with this BOOK... 

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Luvs2bake

I'd ordered the book from Amazon and had been told it would be sent out mid-January.  Surprise, surprise!  I got it a couple days ago!  So far I've made the dough and the plan is to bake tomorrow.  The book has some interesting recipes and all of them are made using this method.  I haven't refrigerated the dough yet because thanks to my tightwad landlord who doesn't turn the steam heat on enough, my kitchen is very, very cold. 

 

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teresag715@aol.com

I've been cooking my way through this book and frankly I adore it.  It just makes it so simple - I can make wonderful bread every single day  and still homeschool 3 kids and go places and have a life that doesn't involve worrying about rising times.  I love the semolina bread, the bagels I made yesterday were so good.  The master recipe is very good and very reliable.  I also made the rye bread - eventhough I don't usually love rye - I loved it.  I would really recommend trying this book out if you are a busy person who wants good bread in your family's life.  I ended up buying 2 6 quart containers and one 12 from a restaurant supply place, and I am coveting a larger pizza stone.  My Bosch is suffering from neglect, but I'm o.k. with that.

 

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swtgran

TableBread, what makes this book different is that the recipes in this book are no knead.  They are mixed up with a spoon in just enough stirs to incorporate the ingredients.  The recipe you have chosen is then left on the counter a couple of hours and then put in the fridge until you wish to remove enough for a loaf, up to 14 days in some recipes. 

There are several different main recipes and then variations you can do to achieve different kinds of bread from each recipe.  When you get ready to make the bread you just shape, wait, and bake, no kneading. 

An example would be the flat breads.  There is a main recipe and it can be used to make foccacia, or pizza, or other breads requiring a similar recipe.

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colinwhipple

I don't know if there is something I am doing wrong, but as I have said in other message threads, I am usually ending up with loaves that are excessively moist inside.  My wife likes their whole wheat recipe, but told me the last one was not good, partly because of excessive moisture.

When I tried their peasant loaf, to get the interior to a good temperature (just over 200 degrees) I had to bake it so long that the exterior was rock hard.  And the interior still seemed moist to me.

If anyone had this problem and got past it, I would like to hear their solution.

Colin

 

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raisdbywolvz

Colin, it sounds like your oven isn't as hot as it should be. I had this problem a while back and bought an oven thermometer. When I checked it against the dial on my oven, my oven was about 50 degrees cooler than the dial said it was. I've re-marked my dial and haven't had a problem with my crumb since then.

 

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colinwhipple

We'll check the oven temp tonight or tomorrow.

Colin 

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KipperCat

Has anyone tried a pizza crust from one of the doughs in this book?  I looked at the website and didn't find any reference there.  I assume it should work OK.

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teresag715@aol.com

There are a few options for pizza crust.  I have used the olive oil dough - which was good, but when I used it at 10 days old or so was really not so good flavor wise - not quite sure why.  I've also used the "boule" dough a lot actually, it doesn't brown as well as my normal recipe (mark bittman's recipe ) but it is so convenient when it's already in the fridge. . . You can also use the semolina crust which I may do since I have a double recipe in the fridge right now.

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swtgran

I used the olive oil dough to make foccacia last night.  It was a nice flavorful bread and I kept thinking it would make really good pizza crust.  I am going to use the remainder of the dough for that tonight.

When I make the boules I do them in my cast iron chicken fryer with a domed lid. I let the loaf set out about and hour on parchment paper, then I pick the loaf up with the paper and place it and the loaf in the pre heated cast iron pot and put the lid on. I pre heat it to 475.  When I put it back in the oven with the bread, I turn it down to 450 for 15 min., then 425 for 15 min.. then I take the lid off for about 15 min.  I take it out sooner if it is looking done.  I have not had a bad loaf with this method.  I have made 1 lb. and 1.5 lb.  loaves.

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raisdbywolvz

I've made several recipes from the book so far, including pizza, red pepper fougasse, epi, rye and olive bread. I can't begin to tell you how good the red pepper fougasse was. All I did was put roasted red bells in it (with a bit of salt and thyme), and it tasted like it had cheese in it, too! It was better than I could have anticipated. I'm still working my way through the book. Haven't tried any of the enriched doughs yet, but I'll get there.

Here are the loaves from yesterday's baking session:

kalamata olive bread and pain d'epi

Olive bread and pain d'epi

 

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teresag715@aol.com

Hi,

I made the bagels from the book the other day and they were really great (my first try at making bagels)  Today I made them again - with the remainder of the bagel dough in my fridge - so same batch.  They didn't brown very well.  On tuesday I made them right on my stone, but it's not huge so it took forever.  Today I put them on a half sheet pan on the stone I had to bake them for 10 minutes longer, but still they don't look fabulous.  They taste pretty good though. . . What's the deal?  I'm glad the first try worked out or I'd abandon them. . .

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KipperCat

I just finished a half WW batch of dough that was quite good.  Our pizza got postponed, and I can't wait to try the red pepper fougasse!

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teresag715@aol.com

The red pepper fougasse is really good.  It's not bad at all with a little goat cheese tucked in there too. . . I made it with the light whole wheat dough a few times and it was great.  I'll try it with the semolina to bring to a potluck this week.

 

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raisdbywolvz

The red pepper fougasse is not only really good, but it's a whole lot easier to make than I thought it would be.  I didn't even think of putting goat cheese in it, but that sure does sound good!  The interesting thing about the fougasse I made, strictly as per the recipe, was that it had a definite cheese vibe.  I made it and knew there wasn't any cheese in it, but still, each bite had something about it that tricked the mind into thinking there was a bit of cheese in it.  I shared this loaf with a couple of friends and they both thought there was cheese in it.

It was such a hit, I'm making another one tomorrow.

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swtgran

Made the pizza with the olive oil dough.  It was very good.  I did prebake the dough because I had a little trouble stretching it as thin as we like it.  It tasted great and had great texture.  I will use again.

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KipperCat

I've noticed that it's very easy to deflate this dough while shaping if I'm a bit too vigorous. So after shaping my first loaf from the last batch, I folded the dough before returning to the refrigerator. I think it helped.  Since I baked all the dough the next time, I didn't do any more folds.

Has anyone else tried folding this dough, either during the initial fermentation or a a later point?  How has it affected your results?

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LindyD

I had mixed up a batch of the semolina bread last week. After the dough had been in the fridge for about three days, I cut off a hunk and did a few folds before shaping it. Also proofed it for over three hours because I forgot about it.

The loaf had a nice oven spring and a more open cumb, which I had not experienced using the no-fold/short-proof suggestions in the book. I definitely will do the folds in the future and longer proofs.

 

 

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teresag715@aol.com

So are you taking all the dough out of the container and cutting some off then folding what remains and is put back in the container?  I just cut a hunk off and leave the rest untouched in the container. 

I'm also having great success with shaping then proofing overnight and baking cold in the morning.  I can actually bake baguettes and have them cooled and ready to make sandwiches on before we leave to go somewhere in the morning (say we're leaving by 8:30-9)  Pretty great IMO.

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KipperCat

I pulled off and shaped the hunk I wanted to bake that day, then pulled the rest out and folded and replaced in container. The rolls I baked from this folded-and-refrigerated-a-few-days dough rose better than the first loaf I baked but they may have had more proofing time. I'd read comments that the doughs have better rise early on than they do towards the end of the batch, and I thought this might help.

I like the idea of proofing overnight!  Do you shape and refrigerate or do some counter proofing first?

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teresag715@aol.com

HI,

I just cut off a hunk of dough and shape it, put it on parchment paper on a cookie sheet, spray it lightly with cooking spray, cover it lightly with plastic wrap and refrigerate overnight.  In the morning I preheat the oven to 450, then I slice the top of the loaf, and slide it onto the pizza stone.  They are always perfectly risen.  It's sooo convenient.  I really want to try it with the sticky buns. . .

I mixed up the chocolate bread dough today at the request of my 8 year old. 

 

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teresag715@aol.com

Well, I made the chocolate bread, it was not a huge hit with my kids (I think it smells so much like a cupcake that they were not happy that it was bread)  Anyway, I cut it up and made the bread pudding with it.  I used kahlua instead of rum, and made a kahlua sauce to go over it.  I took it to a potluck and people literally didn't eat any other dessert on the table (of which there were plenty)  It was  huge hit!  I baked up the rest of the dough today I figure I'll freeze it until I need it for bread pudding.

 

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Evanswood

I am an expat living in Kl. I only have a stand alone oven. The recipies from this book are great. I have been using a glazed tile as a pizza stone which has worked well. What works better in my opinion is using the no kneed bread idea of a preheated container with a lid.

 This is the method I use. Take out the bit of dough, shape gently and place on a WELL floured piece of glad bake.. By well floured I mean put so much flour on there that there is no chance of sticking. Put the timer on for 1 hr... when the timer rings put a glass Pyrex casserole dish in the oven, reset the timer for 30 mins. At the end of 30mins.Carefully remove the dish onto  bench remove the lid. tip the dough in. Replace the lid place into oven covered for 20 mins then remove the lid for last 20 min. When cooking is over remove from glass and place on cake rack to cool.. Delish

 Anna