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Benito

Seven Grain Porridge Sprouted Whole Wheat Sourdough

I received a wonderful surprise this week when I opened an unexpected package sent to me by Anita’s Organic Mill.  They were kind enough to send me the flours, cereal and swag in this photo.

Butter toasted seven grain porridge sourdough is a new recipe I put together to highlight the wonderful steel cut organic seven grain cereal and organic sprouted whole wheat flour from @anitasorganic  The cereal is toasted with butter and then cooked but still left al dente.  

I used a stiff levain of 60% hydration to help handle the heat of the summer yet still allow an overnight fermentation.  I wanted to give time for the whole wheat to fully hydrate but also wanted to make adding a stiff levain easier so in the morning 1 hour before the levain was ready I added the sprouted whole wheat to all the water.  When the levain was ready pH 4.09 I added it to this slurry and easily incorporated it. Next I added the salt and rest of the bread flour.  The porridge was cool when added during the first set of stretch and folds.  

Bulk fermentation was ended when the dough reached a pH of 4.22 corresponding to an aliquot rise of 40%.  After shaping bench proofing continued until a pH of 4.0 was reached corresponding to an aliquot rise of 60%.  The dough was cold retarded at 3ºC overnight.  In the morning at the time of baking the pH had dropped to 3.89.

I’m very pleased with the oven spring and bloom on this loaf.  I think I’ve found the right pH values to aim for with my rye starter and my flours.  As always the crumb will tell the final story.

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DanAyo

Tip - Famag Maintenance Videos

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Mark Sealey

Turning out from bannetons

I've had several encouraging successes following the advice I received here a few weeks ago - particularly from Benny and Mariana. Thanks again, folks :-)

One area where I still have difficulty, though, is in successfully turning my proofed dough out onto Challenger parchment paper and then lifting it quickly onto/into my Challenger pan before baking.

I'm usually proofing overnight in Sugus House bannetons.

I sprinkle the cloth liner with either rice or tapioca flour.

But my dough still tends to flop onto the flat surface and spread.

Should I:

  1. try less hydration to help the dough keep its shape better?
  2. use more flour to stop the dough sticking to the cloth and so help it drop from the banneton?
  3. be prepared to turn the banneton upside down with greater speed so as not to have the dough lose its shape?
  4. something else?

Thanks in advance for anyone who has experience/answers to this!

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Gadjowheaty

Brotland Deutschland AWOL - why?

Any ideas why the Brotland Deutschland series by Franz Steffen is impossible to find on the market (at least from my searching)?  I would have thought this is a seminal series, which, though it might be expensive, is at least still out "there."  

Any ideas?  

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doughooker

Crumpet Cooker

I'm still having trouble making crumpets.

No matter what I try, high heat or low, my crumpets turn out seriously underdone in the middle. I'm getting the little pores on top from gas bubbles bursting, which a proper crumpet is supposed to have.

I'm cooking them in an ordinary skillet with no lid. Even with ridiculously long cooking times (15+ minutes) the insides are invariably undercooked and squishy, about the consistency of mashed potatoes. The taste of this raw dough/batter is quite unappetizing. I've watched several YouTube videos to no avail.

I had the bright idea to try some kind of sandwich maker/waffle iron-type device which would heat both the top and bottom at the same time. Can anyone recommend such a device? It seems the cheaper units lack any kind of temperature control. I imagine this would be a desirable feature to have.

A standard crumpet recipe is quite simple, so I doubt that's the problem. There are many crumpet recipes on line and they are all very similar. Usually crumpets are cooked on one side only in an open skillet with a little oil or butter.

1 C all-purpose flour

1 C water (or milk)

1 tsp salt

1 tsp baking powder

1 packet instant dry yeast

Combine ingredients and let batter rise for 1 hour

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Gadjowheaty

Precise Heat Mixing Bowl For KA stand mixers

Looking into a digital heating bowl to go along with the KA stand mixer, for extended, stirred mixing at controlled temps (for starch conversion, for example).  There are dedicated mixers like Kenwood's Cooking Chef series that I've seen that are just out of my league cost-wise (if I spend this amount, it will likely be a spiral mixer).

Anyone use this mixing bowl add-on with their KA mixers and if so, how do they work?  Do they maintain target temp well?

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benjamin163

What is this super active starter people speak of?

Hello,

I keep my 100% hydration starter in the fridge. 

I top it up with the active starter left over from my next bake.

When I take it out of the fridge I activate it by adding about a cup of flour and a cup of water to a half cup of starter. I let that sit for 12 hours (where it's usually risen to double) and feed again with another cup of flour and water. 4 hours later I have a starter that has doubled in size and that's what I use to bake bread.

On this forum I read of people who can activate a starter to grow to three or four times in volume. This absolutely never happens with mine. Once it goes to double it usually starts to sink again and I know that is a bad sign.

So the question is, how do I get this volcano starter happening and what am I doing wrong right now?

As an addendum. My current starter bakes good bread but I am never quite satisfied with the oven spring and, as some of you might have realised if you read the forum, I am obsessed with getting good ears from my loaves, something which sadly still eludes me. I am wondering if this could be because I'm using a starter which hasn't been activated enough. Anyway. Enough about the ears again. I would just love to know how to produce volcano starter.

Any help gratefully received.  

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JonJ

Tartine semolina bread variant with cranberries, orange zest, fennel & coriander

The Tartine book has an interesting variation on the semolina bread called "Golden Raisin, Fennel Seed, and Orange Zest." I've got a friend who makes this bread, but substitutes the raisins for cranberries and calls this her "Christmas bread."

I used a 100g bag of cranberries which were presoaked in boiling water (120g after drainage).

Also, I've struggled in the past with semolina 'rinacinata' in bread, so I developed two doughs and laminated them together with the inclusions, this let me develop the gluten in the semolina dough at  lower hydration and get quite a strong dough upfront. In the pic below of the two doughs the semolina dough (70% of the flour) is the bowl on the right and the bowl on the left (30% of the flour) is strong bread flour dough. I used a little bit less water than Chad (used 330g of water in total, whereas the book had 375+25g listed), but followed what the dough felt like it could hold.

The bread had the lovely yellow semolina colour, and was my first successful high semolina bread! Think I have the double dough lamination to thank for that!

Taste wise the fennel seeds do dominate, so it isn't an everyday bread, but the combination with orange zest, coriander and cranberries was quite interesting to try out. Perhaps too, that floral linalool flavour from the toasted coriander seeds is the thing that held the flavour and made this an interesting bread.

In the light by my window it looks a little golden.

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Dan_In_Sydney

Baguette - long bulk vs poolish

Hi all,

First a thanks to everyone for the helpful information I have read through and the inspiration I have gained, but now I feel the need to get specific . . .

I had it in my mind to make some approximation of a (small) baguette. My first attempt (4 at various oven-friendly sizes) was acceptable but, for me, lacking a bit of flavour. To be sure, they were streets better in both flavour and structure than any baguette I could find at a supermarket or regular, non-artisan bakery and they passed the most important test (my partner,) but they fell a touch short of what I would consider properly tasty.

For context, my background and situation is as follows:

  • I am an experimenter at heart who has difficulty following a recipe that seems arbitrary when no explanation is provided - I want to break things down and not only know what differences a given change might make but why.
  • I am in (metropolitan) Sydney, Australia, where access to specialist baking flours at the best of times is underwhelming. My current flour is Laucke's Wallaby at 11.5% protein - a fairly high number for accessible flours over this way.
  • Australian flour is un-malted and I do not have any diastic malt.
  • With the exception of a 100% rye loaf or two, I never add sugar or honey or the like.
  • All my doughs are flour, water, salt and yeast - either wild in the form of my starter or using commercial yeast.
  • I don't understand when people suggest that un-malted flour won't brown properly as I seem to have the opposite problem more often than not.
  • I tend towards sourdough and have a nice (plain flour) starter which is neither strong nor weak but is resilient and somewhere over 4 years old now.
  • I like wholemeal, rye and spelt flours added in to my breads as my preferred way of eating it is plain; my partner strongly prefers hers 100% white, often with butter (Pepe Saya for those down my way,) or as a sandwich.

Anyway . . .

Creating my own very simple recipe, the basics were:

(Room temp at the moment is 13-18c during the relevant times)

  1. 70% hydration, 1.8% salt, 0.4% yeast.
  2. ~20 hours autolyse (no yeast,) comprising: ~8h at room temp, ~10h refrigerated overnight; 2h returning to room temp the next day.
  3. Mix in yeast first and then salt (each dissolved in a little water, bringing it to the 70% number) with a Kenwood 'K' beater for 5 mins or so on a low speed.
  4. Room temp for about 4.5 hours with 4 slaps and folds of varying durations and intensities as seemed good in my eyes - around 30-60 mins apart each and stored in a sealed container inbetween.
  5. In the fridge for ~16h overnight.
  6. Divided cold and roughly shaped.
  7. Rested at room temp ~2.5-3 hours.
  8. Shaped and into a couch for ~1h as the oven warmed.

Baking was in 250c on a pre-heated pizza stone with the oven's steam function for 15 mins, then on fan-forced (in my oven, that's a separate heating element around the fan) at 230c for another 10 mins without steam, using the transition to open the oven and rotate the two loaves while letting out the steam.

For the second set, I kept the temp at 250c the whole time but did an even 10 + 10 mins.

Now, to the real meat, which is using this bake as an opportunity to understand the difference between a commerical yeast-based preferment (poolish/biga) and a straight dough simply fermented longer.

A long fermentation time allows flavours to develop. Great.

To my mind, given a fixed time frame for fermentation (e.g. 24h,) the most flavour would be achieved by fermenting the entire dough and therefore a pre-ferment (poolish/biga) would be seen as a more convenient but less effective method of doing so, or one that might be preferred for other, non-flavour reasons (e.g. strength or extensibility, etc . . .).

Am I on the right track here?

If I am happy with the development, workability, time-management and resulting crust and crumb of a whole-dough ferment, what differences should I expect to see with a poolish? (Again, given a fixed time.)

To sum-up, I am looking to improve the flavour while still creating a 100% white baguette and wondering whether swapping the long (partially refrigerated) bulk for a poolish and short bulk would do that. Other options are to add in some sourdough starter after the autolyse or extend the bulk. (Or some combination.)

Here are the obligatory pictures, though they're not really relevant to the flavour, of course!

Many thanks all, in anticipation/hope.

Dan

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metropical

Bosch Universal Plus

Looks like my 17 yo Bosch Concept 7010 has kneaded it’s last dough.

  In looking into the newer 500wt Universal Plus, the dimensions seem to vary from site to site.If someone has one they would measure and post, I’d appreciate it. I’d like to know the base height and width, with and without the bowl attached .As well as the blender attachment on it’s own. Also, if you have the cookie dough paddles, do you find any issue using them with the plastic “drive”? Gratzie



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