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JettBakes

Always a double ear, why?

HI Friends, I've been SD baking for a little over a year and have learned so much from this forum, Kristen Dennis, Trevor Wilson, books by Reinhart and Forkish, etc. I have used Kristen Dennis' basic sourdough recipe many times. It seems no matter what variable I tweak, I almost always get a double ear. I cannot figure out what I am doing or not doing that is causing it. Is my scoring lacking (I aim for 1/2" deep 45 degree angle). Is it my shaping? I follow her instructions in her long video to the letter. Is it my starter (I get good spring and crumb, sometimes a tad tight but not overly so). Any ideas? Here are the notes and a photo from my latest bake. 

7:45am levain build 1-1-1 (79 degrees)
11:00am Autolyse 255g BF, 70g WW
12:40 Mix in levain (from here I kept in proofing box set at 76 degrees)
1:25 Mix in salt
1:56pm light fold on the bench
2:40pm lamination
3:24pm 1st coil fold
4:15pm 2nd coil fold (dough is a little strong at this point)
5:15pm 3rd coil and only did a 1/2 coil
6:30pm Shaped. Dough was nice and puffy, not sticky, 40% increase. 15 mins. room temp proof. And into 37 degree fridge for overnight retard. 
8:30am Baked at 470 degrees in Challenger Breadware for 20 mins. Removed top and baked additional 15 mins. at 450 degrees. 

Nice oven spring but the dreaded double ear. I know I should be happy - I am - but I just want to better understand what's happening. 

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tttt1010

Bread Code liquid starter

Has anyone tried making Bread Code's liquid starter? The video tutorial did not go over the feeding schedule very clearly. With a 100% hydration starter I know when to feed it based on when it peaks, but this isn't possible with a liquid starter. Does anyone have a rough idea of how often I should feed it? Thanks

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ptix

Change in Bagel Texture

Bagels in NYC used to have those crispy fish scales on their surface but nowadays seem to be smooth and chewy - what has changed (is it because they are bigger or are they not proofed long enough) ?

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Yippee

Has anyone tried this guy's bread?

Sounds very popular (2:30)

What ingredients does he use? (23:06)

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lucky_dutch

I'm not getting the hang of this...

Hi, long time reader, first time poster. Really struggling to get the hang of baking sourdough loaves. I've been baking pizza and focaccia with my starter for a while now with great success but the loafs are always a complete disaster. This time I was so happy with the strength of the gluten built up during bulk ferment but the loaf just completely fell apart in the final rise & bake.

Any guidance would be much appreciated!

My goals for the bake:

  • Small loaf
  • Fluffy, moderately open crumb
  • Thin but crispy crust
  • Avoid burnt bottom

Method:

  • Dissolved starter in water, incorporated flour and left covered for 30 minutes
  • Laminated, spread over the salt and gently kneaded for 2-3 minutes
  • Bulk fermented with gentle coil folds every 30-45 minutes with wet fingers (probably added a decent amount of water to the dough in this way)
  • Original plan was to ferment for 12 hours in the cool box but quickly realised it was fermenting faster than anticipated so did the final 6 hours in the fridge
  • Poke test passed at 12 hours (dough was sticky but a gentle poke with a wet finger sprung back slowly leaving behind a small dent)
  • Very gently shaped in a dusting of flour
  • Struggled a little to seal it after shaping. With the slight dusting of flour it wasn't adhesive enough to stick properly so had to repeatedly squeeze the seals

  • 12h final rise in the fridge
  • Loaf stuck to the banneton slightly at once side so stretched itself long and thin when removing onto parchment
  • Loaf was VERY soft and delicate - flattened within seconds of being removed from banneton

  • Dusted off excess flour and spritzed with some water
  • Scored with the sharpest blade I have but it was very sticky and the score re-sealed itself almost instantly
  • Lowered into a cast iron pot which had pre-headed for 1h at the hottest my oven will go (c.240C)
  • Turned down oven heat to 220C and baked with lid on for 15 minutes
  • Removed from pot and baked on a rack for a further 15 minutes
  • Pulled out a few minutes early as top was starting to burn
  • Left to cool on a rack for 2 hours before slicing

Overall, I'm very disappointed with the result:

It is a misshapen flat mess. I wasn't expecting a huge, ballooned loaf because it wasn't a particularly big loaf relative to the size of the banneton so it was always going to be a bit long and short but this was not what I had in mind!

The crumb is very dense and gummy but with huge caverns within it.

The only area in which is was successful was I managed (for the first time) to avoid a burnt bum by removing it from the pot for the final stage. The crust is reasonably crispy without being too thick or tough too which is OK.

Is this just a case of badly over-fermented? I'm surprised that it over-fermented so much with just 3% starter and it mostly being fermented in the fridge.

Have I made any other glaring errors that I need to correct in order to reach my bake goals?

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Benito

Seven Grain Porridge Sprouted Whole Wheat Sourdough

I received a wonderful surprise this week when I opened an unexpected package sent to me by Anita’s Organic Mill.  They were kind enough to send me the flours, cereal and swag in this photo.

Butter toasted seven grain porridge sourdough is a new recipe I put together to highlight the wonderful steel cut organic seven grain cereal and organic sprouted whole wheat flour from @anitasorganic  The cereal is toasted with butter and then cooked but still left al dente.  

I used a stiff levain of 60% hydration to help handle the heat of the summer yet still allow an overnight fermentation.  I wanted to give time for the whole wheat to fully hydrate but also wanted to make adding a stiff levain easier so in the morning 1 hour before the levain was ready I added the sprouted whole wheat to all the water.  When the levain was ready pH 4.09 I added it to this slurry and easily incorporated it. Next I added the salt and rest of the bread flour.  The porridge was cool when added during the first set of stretch and folds.  

Bulk fermentation was ended when the dough reached a pH of 4.22 corresponding to an aliquot rise of 40%.  After shaping bench proofing continued until a pH of 4.0 was reached corresponding to an aliquot rise of 60%.  The dough was cold retarded at 3ºC overnight.  In the morning at the time of baking the pH had dropped to 3.89.

I’m very pleased with the oven spring and bloom on this loaf.  I think I’ve found the right pH values to aim for with my rye starter and my flours.  As always the crumb will tell the final story.

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DanAyo

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Mark Sealey

Turning out from bannetons

I've had several encouraging successes following the advice I received here a few weeks ago - particularly from Benny and Mariana. Thanks again, folks :-)

One area where I still have difficulty, though, is in successfully turning my proofed dough out onto Challenger parchment paper and then lifting it quickly onto/into my Challenger pan before baking.

I'm usually proofing overnight in Sugus House bannetons.

I sprinkle the cloth liner with either rice or tapioca flour.

But my dough still tends to flop onto the flat surface and spread.

Should I:

  1. try less hydration to help the dough keep its shape better?
  2. use more flour to stop the dough sticking to the cloth and so help it drop from the banneton?
  3. be prepared to turn the banneton upside down with greater speed so as not to have the dough lose its shape?
  4. something else?

Thanks in advance for anyone who has experience/answers to this!

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Gadjowheaty

Brotland Deutschland AWOL - why?

Any ideas why the Brotland Deutschland series by Franz Steffen is impossible to find on the market (at least from my searching)?  I would have thought this is a seminal series, which, though it might be expensive, is at least still out "there."  

Any ideas?  

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doughooker

Crumpet Cooker

I'm still having trouble making crumpets.

No matter what I try, high heat or low, my crumpets turn out seriously underdone in the middle. I'm getting the little pores on top from gas bubbles bursting, which a proper crumpet is supposed to have.

I'm cooking them in an ordinary skillet with no lid. Even with ridiculously long cooking times (15+ minutes) the insides are invariably undercooked and squishy, about the consistency of mashed potatoes. The taste of this raw dough/batter is quite unappetizing. I've watched several YouTube videos to no avail.

I had the bright idea to try some kind of sandwich maker/waffle iron-type device which would heat both the top and bottom at the same time. Can anyone recommend such a device? It seems the cheaper units lack any kind of temperature control. I imagine this would be a desirable feature to have.

A standard crumpet recipe is quite simple, so I doubt that's the problem. There are many crumpet recipes on line and they are all very similar. Usually crumpets are cooked on one side only in an open skillet with a little oil or butter.

1 C all-purpose flour

1 C water (or milk)

1 tsp salt

1 tsp baking powder

1 packet instant dry yeast

Combine ingredients and let batter rise for 1 hour

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