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SunnyGail

Flour stress test question

After not having been able to achieve a windowpane test lately after 2 or even 3h autolyze, I decided to do a flour stress test today to see how my bread flour would react depending on the hydration level

 Here is the flour I used for the test and for my recent bakes (that did all prove to be very challenging: no windowpane at the end of the autolyse nor any proper oven rise, very tight crumb etc....)

https://1847.ca/product-category/shop-bread-flour/

The protein content is 13,5% - I am not sure what kind of flour it is, to be honest, but it's clearly not white

Here's the description from the website: Perfected with professional sourdough bakers and blended for full bodied flavour and texture. Notes of cinnamon and fresh cut wheat fields will shine through in your baking. Made from a blend of hard red spring wheat to deliver exceptional protein content resulting in high gluten development and oven bounce. Best used in sourdough bread, pizza dough and naan

 

So here are the results: I checked after 2h and 3h, and still no windowpane (or very timid), whatever the hydration (70-75-80-85%). All of them were very sticky and very easily tearable (if it's a word)

 

 

 

 

So does anybody have any idea what's happening here? Is it due to the flour?? It seems to be a very different kind of flour than a regular white bread flour, and I don't know what to do of that....Which is a shame, as I have 20kg of it!!! :-))))

 

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louiscohen

Easy 100% Atta Whole Wheat Sandwich Loaf

Atta is a fine stone-ground whole wheat flour from India used mainly for flatbreads, like chapatis et al.  I read up and watched some videos, and I gave it a try.  I adapted this video by Nisa Homey 100% Atta Sandwich Loaf to 

 

 

Ingredient

Percentage

Total Flour 450g

Whole Wheat Flour (atta)

100%

450g

Yeast

1.3%

6g

Salt

1.8%

8g

Water

~111%

~500g

Full details in Bread Formulas

My skills are not up to handling/shaping 100+% hydration dough, except in a loaf pan - I have enough trouble stretching 85% hydration whole wheat pizza dough without tearing.

So I made it in one afternoon, no preferment, and baked it in the toaster oven.  It's got a nice flavor and moderately open crumb.  It's softer than most artisan bread - what do you expect from 100+% hydration.  Anyway, it's easy, tasty, good for you, and attractive if you like the look of toasted bricks.  

I may try an 80% atta 20% high gluten loaf to see if I can make a boule or batard out of it.  

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Gadjowheaty

Duty on "Vogelzang Universal Firebrick"?

Anyone know what "duty" these firebricks are?  Whether they'd do as the hearth for a mud oven?

 

Thanks, 

Paul

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HeiHei29er

Help with large diameter ratan and dough sticking in banneton

I recently purchased some additional bannetons.  When I received them, the ratan is a much larger diameter than my original bannetons.  Because of the larger diameter, the space between the ratan is larger and deeper.  With that, my doughs have somewhat stuck and not released easily.  I've used this one for 6 or 7 bakes, and the dough has stuck every time.  It tends to stick in the ends, but has also stuck on the side a few times too.

I usually scrape the majority of the excess flour out, but I didn't after yesterday's bake.

Any tips for keeping the doughs from sticking in these bannetons?  Do you scrape the excess flour out or leave it in?  

My original banneton is on the right.  Smaller diameter ratan and has never had a problem with sticking.

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HeiHei29er

Another Buckwheat/Oat Variant

This is my stand-by bread.  One of these days, I need to finalize a recipe and stick with it.  For this one, I eliminated the oat flour and reduced the buckwheat flour.  The sorghum, buckwheat, and barley flours were used for a mash, and buckwheat and oat groats were used in a hot water soaker.

Loaf flattened a bit versus springing, but the crumb turned out nice and moist and fairly open.  I keep wanting to make this a hearth loaf, but it's tricky getting it right with the level of gluten free flours.  I may just start keeping this a pan loaf.

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littlejay

Golden Crust On Baguettes - Techniques Please

As you can see in the picture, my baguette has nice ears but does not have a golden crust.

Pretty standard recipe of 68% with hi gluten flour, biga, starter, a little malt.

Baking at 475 in a gas oven with a finish of convection to brown it up.

Turns brown but never golden.

Thoughts?

 

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JonJ

Covid greek goddess

Formula

 

Inclusions

My daughter, who is 19, came down with covid and had lost her sense of smell the day before this bake. She asked if this bread had olives or cranberries in it! Think she's on the mend now, and has mentioned that she is starting to taste things again.

This is my first bread with sundried olives. They're kalamata olives and needed to be hand pitted before baking. The sundried olives brought a fairly pungent olive taste to the bread, not unpleasant but tasted like a strong olive oil, and a different flavour to the breads I've made with regular pickled olives. Although only 20g was used in the loaf the flavour tended to dominated, but 20g of sundried olives was around 19 olives, so its fairly concentrated.

The sundried tomato, like the sundried olives, were used 'dry' and weren't rehydrated before using. They were fairly unusual in that they weren't fully dried - they have a nice amount of moisture in them and we keep them in the fridge. So it felt right to use them as they were and they were great in the bread, but next time I'll double the quantity.

The feta didn't seem to do much. The quantity of feta probably also needs to be doubled, and next time I won't crumble as finely.

This bread was made using the food processor to develop the dough, which together with the home made proofing box seems to be becoming my new standard way to make bread.

The water, chilled in the fridge overnight, and levain (from the proofer) were initially mixed in the food processor to form a slurry. To this all the flours were added and were given two 10 second pulses and then left to 'fertmentolyse' for 50 minutes. Then a series of about 4 additional short pulses of the food processor, were done patting down the dough between each pulse to give, in total, another 15 seconds of whizzing. So, a grand total 35 seconds of food processor mixing.

The dough was then moved into the proofer, set to 26°C. Prior to lamination the salt was mixed into the dough by hand, around 1.5 hours after the initial levain mix. The inclusions were laminated in, followed by 2 coil folds. Shaping was done 5.25 hours after adding the levain, with the aliquot just under 50% increase in volume. The banneton was placed in the proofer for an additional 15 minutes before retarding on the bottom shelf of the fridge at 5°C for 15 hours. Banneton was removed from the fridge and popped into the freezer while the oven was warming, which is probably why I did the crazy scoring since the top surface was stiff and easy to score! Bread was baked at 240°C for 25 minutes covered, then 220°C incovered for 20 minutes.

Really enjoying this bread flour which is made from a sifted winter hard white wheat flour. This is my first local flour that has a decent protein percentage, around 14% apparently and it just sucks up the moisture, as well as giving that ridiculous oven spring that I've been envying. It also gives that mouth feel of a high gluten bread, that not unpleasant chewy gluten in your mouth which I've only ever noticed before from added VWG! The hard red wholemeal is a sprouted flour, got a bit chopped off in my formula but think it brought some flavour to the bread, kind of hard to tell with all the inclusions.

Scoring

Baked top view

Crumb series

Crumb detail

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DougWeller

Need help adapting a Dan Lepard emmer recipe

I accidentally made this Dan Lepard emmer bread with rye and want to do it again with emmer, but I don't want a huge amount of pumpkin seeds. I'm not sure if I need to compensate for their lack. I'd probably prefer a small amount of linseed, caraway or coriander. Thanks. https://www.bakerybits.co.uk/resources/100-emmer-bread-with-pumpkin-seeds-and-black-barley-malt/?fbclid=IwAR3ygdv8vvmU1PdFqgc4T1Z7c9u97XTo8UcU8sv8rFeJqgq5fi9SACDdpa0

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preppymcprepperson

75% Whole Wheat Success

Very happy with this loaf, 75% unsifted whole wheat, 80% hydration, and made with dabrownman's No Muss No Fuss Starter, a truly life-changing technique.

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Gadjowheaty

First Volkornbrot - Hamelman

48 hrs. post-bake, this is my first volkornbrot.  From Jeffrey Hamelman.  In trying to learn more about this grain I know this is pretty badly overproofed.  I really have to get a handle on my rye proofing, because it seems explosive - way quicker than any estimation in Hamelman or other books.

Edit.  This was not my first volkornbrot, lol!  I was dying to use my newly found red rye malt.  I tried a Borodinsky on the fly.  Comically caved.  Gushing over-the-top proofed in less than 1/2 hour, and it was a mad race to try to get my oven up to temp while slowing down the volcanic growth as much as possible.  It didn't succeed.  Can't believe I'm showing it.  Be kind):

 

It's interesting because I've made many Detmolder variations from the Hamelman book, and never noticed this issue (from several years back):

 

The volkornbrot.  So far, the tinned bakes, yikes.  Any input on dealing with this kind of proofing issue - less inoculation?  Cooler? - would be appreciated.  Here it is:

Nevertheless, delicious, really moist crumb.  I can't believe I've avoided rye all these years, kicking and screaming from Estonian wails at holidays.  I'm really excited to learn all I can.

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