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Brotaniker's picture
Brotaniker

Baguette dough - how long can stay it in the fridge?

When I do baguettes and/or buns/hard-rolls I do the "overnight" method - prepare the dough in the evening. Shape and bake next morning.

When I add an extra day (8h > 32h) it works the same - but taste is noticeable better! 

I wonder, what is the maximum time you can keep a dough in the fridge? And what will happen if it stays too long? Mold aside obviously, but will the taste get too sour/strong for thinks like baguettes? 

For bun I bake the full load, but for baguettes it would be nice to bake just one - but my kneader doesn't work with only 150g flour, I need 500g or so as minimum. Plus, it would be cool to have stand-by dough in the fridge.

 

 

 

 

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Gadjowheaty

Fröstlberg-Kruste - Evaluation, Please?

I'm focusing on rye, and wending my way through the recipes of our own Hanseata, Karin; Lutz Geißler; and Brotdoc.

This is a second bake of Geißler's "Fröstlberg Kruste," which I find delicious.  The balance of bread spice, gentle nip on the tongue of acidity and the nice sweetness generated from an overnight soak at 75 C* all make for a really nice bread, at least to the extent I am doing it justice.

However, it sure seems flat to me.  That said, he does describe the loaf as "typically Austrian flat." (Mini?) Can't tell if it's flatter than Lutz has it (L is his, R is mine), but it seems flat.  It came out of the oven at an internal temp of 97 C and rested 24 hours.  It tastes to me just a touch gummy (and I do mean that literally.  Right on the edge with "pleasantly moist," by my mouthfeel).  My wife disagrees and calls it spot on.  (She's a big dark rye lover, as an Estonian).

It's also funny that I see the same word in many German recipes, "saftiges," which I think means "juicy" or the like, yes?  Is that indicating moistness, a pleasant moistness and not dry?  

For these ryes, would you suggest a higher internal temp?

Are you seeing anything in the crumb photo that suggests a proofing or shaping (or other) issue?

Thanks for taking a look.

 

*Though this temp is right at the limit of amylase activity..  Any higher would denature even a-amylase.  It's also curious to me he callse for the soak at this a-amylase range, ruling out any b-amylase activity entirely.  Bears some thoughts.

 

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Hermit

Orange Caraway Crusty Biscuits

Adapted from the NY Times' "vegan quick biscuits" to blend in some warmer, earthy overtones. They take just 20 minutes to make. The roasted Caraway seed will give your whole kitchen a warm, inviting fragrance that carries through in the bread. You'll need a spice grinder to get the best flavour from the herbs.

2 cups (472ml/240g) all-purpose flour. 
1/2 cup or 120ml orange juice (I used Tropicana w/ calcium). Don't use the kind with extra pulp.
1/2 cup or 120ml shortening or margarine 
3/4 tsp salt
1 tbsp baking soda
1/2 tbsp Caraway seed
1/2 tbsp dried Savory
(optional) 1/2 tsp turmeric, for an even warmer autumn color.

Preheat the oven to 425F.

Take the Caraway seed and heat it on a dry skillet on high temperature for 2 minutes. You should hear them pop and hiss just slightly. Take them off and throw them in the spice grinder for 30 seconds. Take the dried Savory and also grind it to a loose powder if it isn't already powdered.

Mix the ground herbs into the flour with the salt and baking soda. Whisk them so that they're fully mixed. Put the margarine in a bowl with the orange juice and microwave them on high for a minute to get the margarine soft, then fold the wet ingredients into the dry ingredients.

Combine the whole mixture with a fork to cut up the margarine, then use your hands to massage it into a dough ball, aiming for a uniform consistency. Don't worry about it being loose or crumbing or flaking. This is a very dry dough.

Divide it into ball or puck shapes according to taste. If you have a scale, 45-50g dough balls make a nice tea-sized biscuit. 55-65g dough balls make a good dinner biscuit.

Lightly oil or grease a flat baking tray and throw them all in the oven for 13-14 minutes. Serve with butter or margarine on top.

 

I wish I'd learned to use Caraway seed sooner!

Gadjowheaty's picture
Gadjowheaty

Drying Rye Berries

Some might have seen an issue I'm having milling rye berries.  Didn't want to gum up the works,** so thought it might be better here.

Looking around some, I do see people can have an issue with milling rye due to the grain's moisture.  Various drying regimes I've seen include just air drying, putting it on a proof-oven setting of 90-100 for 8 hours, or up to 200F for no longer than 30 minutes.

As much as I don't want to screw up the miller, I also don't want to damage the grain as to baking and nutritional properties.  The 200 F "rest" at 30 minutes feels dicey to me, in this regard.  Anyone have any science or technical info on this?  Or, simply, your thoughts on how best to dry out rye - as well as how far, and how to tell?

 

 

 

 

 

** Truly very sorry.  Terrible, terrible pun.

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Benito

Freezing a whole loaf

I am visiting some friends mid week and they would like some bread. However, I won’t be able to bake it the day before and would have time to bake it about 3 days ahead of the visit.  My plan was to bake a sourdough Hokkaido milk bread.  What would be the best way to freeze and then thaw the loaf before transport to their home several hours drive away?

Benny

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hypercritical

Croissant Crumb Issues

I am trying to slowly understand what are the issues with my croissants and slowly improving on them.

I had a lot of issues with gluten development before and very low rise at the proofing stage. This has since improved and I have made my best batch yet.. but I still feel that the crumb is not quite there yet.

while the end product is certainly flaky, it still has a bit of denseness on the inside.. like a soft bread roll.

I am not sure if this is because it’s under proofed, lacked gluten development, bad lamination through collapsed layer due to shattered butter or uneven spread? One thing I think I’m sure of is the butter not absorbing into the dough, maybe.

 

Any thoughts? And more generally, what signs can I look for in order to make adjustments?

 

https://i.imgur.com/FelpThk.jpg

Gadjowheaty's picture
Gadjowheaty

Plötzblog/ Lutz Geißler - Fave Rye Sourdough recipe?

Putting wheat sourdoughs to sleep for awhile, on the hunt for a rye to do.  For those who follow him (have a couple of his books coming), what is your favorite Plötzblog/ Lutz Geißler sourdough rye recipe, and why?

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gerhard

Pflaumenkuchen

Made a German Pflaumenkuchen (plum cake) today, make it once or twice as summer nears the end.  It is an enriched yeast base topped with plums and best when served with real whipped cream.

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BlueBread

Variation in Crumb

Hey Everyone,

I've noticed that the batards I've been baking have an uneven crumb structure through out the loaf. The ends are open and the middle is closed and heavy.  I'm assuming this is a shaping issue.  Has anyone else encountered this and found a solution to making an even structure.  I'm really aiming for the more open crumb.  I've included some pictures. 

Thanks for taking a look!

 

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Danni3ll3

40% Whole Wheat Sourdough 

I wanted something simple and uncomplicated. Can’t get more simple than flour, water and salt. And sourdough of course!

 

 

Recipe 

 

Makes 3 loaves

 

Dough

670 g strong bakers unbleached flour

405 g freshly milled wholegrain Red Fife flour 

750 g water (700 + 50 g)

23 g pink Himalayan salt

250 g levain (procedure in recipe)

Extra wholegrain and unbleached flour of your choice for feeding the levain

 

The night before:

1. Mill the grains if you are using Red Fife berries. Otherwise use the freshest wholegrain Wholewheat flour that you can find (freshly milled flour does make an incredible difference in flavour). Place the required amount of flour in a tub. Add the unbleached flour to the tub as well. Cover and set aside.

2.Take 10 g of refrigerated starter and feed it 20 g of water and 20 g of wholegrain flour. Let that rise at cool room temperature for the night. 

 

Dough Making day:

1. Early in the morning, feed the levain 100 g of filtered water and 50 g of strong baker’s flour and 50 g wholegrain flour. Let rise in a warm spot until doubled (about 5 hours). 

2. About two hours before the levain is ready, put 700 g filtered water in a stand mixer’s bowl and add the flours from the tub.  Mix on the lowest speed until all the flour has been hydrated. This takes a couple of minutes. 

3. Autolyse a couple of hours at room temperature. 

4. Once the autolyse is done and the levain has doubled, add the salt, and the levain to the bowl. Add 50g water as well if needed. My dough definitely needed the extra water. Mix on the lowest speed for a minute to integrate everything, then mix on the next speed for 9 minutes.

5. Remove the dough from the mixing bowl and place in a lightly oiled covered tub. Let rest 45 minutes in a warm spot (oven with light on). 

6. Do 2 sets of coil folds at 45 minute intervals and then another set after 30 minutes. Let rise about 50-60%. This dough was moving really fast. I had planned to do another set of coil folds and let the dough rise only 30% but by the time I was ready for the fourth fold, the dough was well on it’s way to doubling. So I preshaped it instead of folding. Total bulk was less than 3 hours.  

7. Tip the dough out on a bare counter, sprinkle the top with flour and divide into portions of ~700 g. Round out the portions into rounds with a dough scraper and let rest 30 minutes on the counter. 

8. Do a final shape by flipping the rounds over on a lightly floured counter. Gently stretch the dough out into a circle. Pull and fold the third of the dough closest to you over the middle. Pull the right side and fold over the middle and do the same to the left. Fold the top end to the center patting out any cavities. Finally stretch the two top corners and cross over each other in the middle. Roll the bottom of the dough away from you until the seam is underneath the dough. Cup your hands around the dough and pull towards you, doing this on all sides of the dough to round it off. Finally spin the dough to make a nice tight boule.

9. Sprinkle a  mix of rice flour and all purpose flour in the bannetons. Place the dough seam side down in the bannetons. Let rest for a few minutes on the counter and then put to bed in a cold (38F) fridge overnight. I try to keep proof under 12 hours. 

 

Baking Day

1. The next morning, about 11 hours later, heat the oven to 475F with the Dutch ovens inside for 45 minutes to an hour. Turn out the dough seam side up onto a cornmeal sprinkled counter. Place rounds of parchment paper in the bottom of the pots, and carefully but quickly place the dough seam side up inside. 

2. Cover the pots and bake the loaves at 450 F for 25 minutes, remove the lids, and bake for another 20 minutes at 425 F. Internal temperature should be 205 F or more.

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