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dmsnyder

Pane Tipo di Altamura in a WFO: A mitigated disaster

This morning, I baked two loaves of Pane Tipo di Altamura (1kg each) and one loaf of my Pugliese Capriccioso (1 kg) in my friend J.S.'s Wood-Fired Oven. The breads were baked for a potluck lunch for about 25 most of whom are Italian-Americans.

Both breads were cold retarded in bannetons after final shaping for about 18 hours.

First, the bad news. We forgot an important lesson learned last year: You have to take the hot coals out of the oven before loading bread into it. Consequently, although the oven floor was a reasonable temperature for baking bread (around 500 dF), the heat from the fire resulted in a seriously charred crust. After the loaves cooled, I took a knife to them and scraped off most of the char. What was left still looked pretty nasty, but did not impart any bitter or otherwise off flavors to the bread.

The good news - and most of the news was good: First, I got the Altamura shaping right, finally. (Thanks to mwilson for his very helpful advice after my last bake of Pane di Altamura.) Second, there was terrific oven spring, and the final loaf shape was close to the classic folded Altamura shape. Third, (and most important) the bread was fabulously delicious! The flavor was more complex than any of my previous bakes, with nutty, sweet and tangy notes. The crust was crunchy. The crumb was cool, tender and chewy.

The bread was greatly appreciated by all, including the one attendee whose opinion I value most, a woman who immigrated from Apulia as a young adult. She and her husband had a very good Southern Italian restaurant and pizzeria in town until they retired some years ago.

So, here are some photos of the Pane di Altamura. The loaf is ugly as sin to look at. You will have to take my word that it was delicious to eat.

J.S. and I have already discussed our next bake in her WFO when we will remember to sweep out the coals before loading the bread. I also want to bake Pane di Altamura with an overnight retardation again in my oven. I think the retardation  enhances this bread's flavor a lot.

By the way, the Pugliese Capriccioso was also (charred but) delicious.

David

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Reynard

UK bods: lidded loaf tin

I fancy investing in one of these as I can't cloche my large loaf tin (it's too big) and steaming my oven is a no-no. Amazon sells them, but they're imported and the shipping costs pushes them past £50.

Does anyone know where I can get one without paying through the nose?

Am looking for something that will produce a loaf the same-ish sort of size as a standard sliced loaf and / or take around 1200g dough.

Cheers ears,

Witty.

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Juergen Krauss

More for my own reference - video links

This is by no means complete - 

just a number of videos I frequently refer to

 

Kneading

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAvlONuJXP0

King Arthur Baguette making

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=masipMhrV5c&list=PLE2D447C3F9AAD68F

Russian Braid - Ciril Hitz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqGwQXFjHgg

 

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Danni3ll3

Seeded bread inspired by Tartine 3

I like seeds in bread and Chad Robertson's Seeded Bread really intrigued me with the quantity and the variety of seeds in this particular bread. I have long given up on using Robertson's flour quantities and methods but I do use his creations for inspiration. The methods are right out of FWSY for the most part.

The levain was created out of 40 grams starter that had been fed the night before, 200 grams high extraction flour and 160 grams of water to make a 80% levain. I left that to rise for approximately 6 and a half hours at a room temperature of 74/76 F (the room got warmer as the day went by).

I toasted the following seeds in a frying pan:

100 g flaxseeds

100 g sesame seeds

100 g poppy seeds

50 g sunflower seeds

50 pumpkin seeds

50 g caraway

The flax seeds and the caraway were toasted separately from the rest because the flax seeds needed to soak in 180 g of hot water and the caraway seeds were to be coarsely ground after toasting. The remainder were toasted together in the frying pan. Once the flax seeds had cooled down somewhat, I added the rest of the seeds and let them absorb all of the liquid.

Autolyse consisted of:

300 g high extraction flour

400 g all unbleached all purpose flour

100 g wholegrain wheat flour

26 g of wheatgerm

42 g of vital wheat gluten (I added this because I thought that with the weight of all of these seeds, the dough needed all the help it could get)

660 g of water at 85F

I let this autolyse for one hour. Then I added:

22 g of salt

1/2 tsp yeast

360 g of the above levain

I mixed everything well by hand and let the dough rest for 10 minutes. Then I added the seek soaker and a bit more water because the dough seemed a bit dry. I didn't measure the water but it was probably a few tablespoons. I really had to work to get all the seeds incorporated in the dough. It was a huge quantity of seeds. My dough temperature ended up being 77F.

I did four sets of stretches and folds a half hour apart. The dough was slightly more than doubled about 3 hours later. It was very poofy (is that a word?) and felt awesome!

I divided the dough, shaped it and put it in the baskets. I didn't use a bench rest. I tried to get a tight skin on the boules but I over floured my counter and the dough just couldn't get a grip. The result was very inflated boules that just about filled my baskets.

I used my little marked jar to estimate the rise but I got nervous when it reached about 1.5 times the volume. I did the finger poke test and it told me that the dough was ready to go into the oven. 

The oven with the dutch ovens was preheated to 500F so I sprinkled cornmeal in the bottom of the pots, dropped in the loaves, spritzed the loaves with water and sprinkled seeds on top. I usually put the seeds in the proofing baskets but I forgot and in hindsight, my baskets are pretty open weaved so I might have lost a lot of the seeds through the weave. 

The loaves baked at 500F for 20 minutes, then the temperature was dropped to 450F for 10 more minutes. I took the lids off and baked for another 25 minutes.

Notes: Spritzing the water on the loaves to make the seeds stick worked just fine. I didn't get a huge oven rise but it was decent enough to get a good crumb. I am not sure but I think that even with me watching the dough and my little handy dandy graduated proofing tool, I may have over proofed it a bit even though it looked like it has risen only one and a half times. The loaves spread out quite a bit when I turned them out and looked like they deflated a bit when dropped in the dutch oven. By the way, the taste is excellent in spite of the huge amount of caraway seeds in this combo. I must admit though that if I make this again, I won't be including the caraway seeds. They overpower the rest of the seeds in terms of flavour.

 

 

 

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Bev Letvak

Italian Bread

calls for2 cups water and 1/2 C powdered skim milk,can I just use 2 C skim milk?

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alfanso

Of flappers and bloomers

No, we aren't revisiting the Roaring 20's or peeking at undergarments here (at least not right now!).  Once more with a batch of the dmsnyder based Semolina Capriccioso, with a twist courtesy of alfanso.  Since these are capricious by moniker I decided to give them each a different look.  One long and one chubby batard, one and two scores across them respectively.  And two baguettes, single scored and four scored across these two scrawnier runts of the litter.

This is a fairly high hydration dough at 80%.  Therefore the dough is "heavier" with more water to shed during the bake than a lesser hydrated dough which would have a greater preponderance of flours.  Add to that the sesame seeds, which even though quite minuscule in weight, still contribute to weighing down the moist dough on the "flap" that is destined to bloom, however much or little.

And I have a theory, unfounded as it may be for a high hydration dough such as this and the added weight of the seeds on the "flap"considered.   The shorter the score combined with the lesser girth of a shaped dough, has a direct influence on the bloom for that bread.  As you can see, the baguette with four scores had decent but quite modest bloom, whereas the single scored baguette did not suffer quite as distinct a loss of bloom.  Both of the batards have a significant amount of heft below the scores as well as long enough scores to support the upward oven spring.

These probably would have benefited from a more angled scoring by the lame than I did, but as we say in alfanso's hometown of Baguetteville-sur-Bronx "say luh V".

So...am I right?  Who the heck knows?  Tasty?  You bet.  Tastier than the earlier version which uses less durum, but also olive oil and sugar, both ingredients missing from these?  I haven't a clue as I can't do a side by side comparison, and I'm not capable of discerning what are probably subtle taste differences across bakes.  But I like these because it takes me back to the pure FWS than those with the oil and sugar added.

A few particulars:

  • 2x600g batards, 2x~285g baguettes,
  • 80% overall hydration,
  • 75% hydration levain represents ~36% of non-levain flour and ~16% total dough weight.
  • 60% durum flour, 23% bread, (10% AP, 7% WW & rye - all in levain)  flours.  
  • Autolyse, hand mix, ferment  ~4 hours,
  • cold proof for the better part of 30 hours, bake direct from retard.  Way longer than I originally intended.
  • 460dF oven with a lot of steam for 13 minutes,
  • 30 min. baguettes, ~35 min. for batards w/ 2 additional minutes for venting.

alan

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Truth Serum

Lazy G.F. (GENDER FREE) Brioche

Lazy Gender Free Brioche

 

This recipe is a synthesis of two recipes. I like this recipe because you don’t have to use the mixer. The technique is based on what I saw on Cooks Illustrated. Except I don’t enjoy eating that much butter, and the recipe is based on Floyds Lazy Mans Brioche.

 

Dough

500g bread flour

250g milk

2 eggs

50g sugar

15g instant yeast

5g salt

1 stick (113g) unsalted butter, diced

Filling

1/2 cup chocolate chips (optional)

Egg Wash

1 egg

a pinch of salt

a teaspoon water

 

500g bread flour (approx 3 1/2cup)

250g cool milk (approx 1 1/4cup)

2 eggs

50g sugar (approx 1/4cup)

15g instant yeast (2 tsp)(note 1 packet is 2 1/4 tsp)

5g salt (1 tsp)

1 stick (113g) unsalted butter, diced (cold)

 

The technique comes from a Cooks Illustrated Recipe

Mix flour salt and yeast together.

Mix eggs milk and sugar together. Melt and let butter cool a bit , then whisk in butter to egg mixture.

Then combine with flour mixture. Mix up thoroughly . Let stand 10 minutes

 

Stetch Fold and turn in Bowl at 30 minute intervals 4 times. Cover tightly put in refridgerate for 16 to 48 hours.

 

 

Then I followed what Floyd did

 

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/recipes/lazymansbrioche

 

except I made my rolls 2.75 ounces, so that they would be easier to release from the pan.

 

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JBofEastTN

One Cup of Flour

When baking, I often hear it is more accurate to measure ingredients by weight rather than to measure by volume. This really makes sense, especially for flour. Depending on how it’s measured –scooped and leveled, spooned and leveled, not leveled at all, packed or loose- and depending on the brand –Gold Medal vs King Arthur vs White Lily vs some other brand- you can get wildly different results. However, nearly every recipe published in the USA has flour by the cup rather than by grams. It seems like the latter would be far more consistent.


My question, then, is this: What is the weight, in grams, of one properly measured cup of all purpose flour?

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Peter Kaye

My ‘cow-pat’ loaf

I need some enlightenment please,  my bread doubles in size in the proofing basket but no matter how careful I am when I tease it on to the baking stone it fall flat.  It starts out 80- 90mm high and ends up maybe 50 – 60mm high.  Is my dough too weak and if so what is the answer or is it something different.

Getting desperate…

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Ru007

Something a bit different...

I've been well and truly bitten by the rye bug! 

This weeks bake was a 70% rye, 109% hydration loaf, with sunflower seeds, green pumpkin seeds, raisins and i replaced some of the water with a dark beer! 

I had to deviate from my normal MO of doing normal stretch and folds because the dough (or should i say, really thick batter) was way too wet. I just used a bowl scraper to kind of stretch the dough up and fold it over in the bowl for a few minutes. 

I was worried that i had over proofed the loaf. I waited a bit too long to preheat the oven. I only turned it on when the dough was about level with the rim of the tin. I under estimated how quickly things happen with rye! I literally sat down in front of my oven for the first 30 mins of the bake waiting for it to collapse. Thankfully, it didn't! 

The final loaf didn't look great, a bit shriveled on top when i unwrapped it to slice it today... I'm not sure what that means though.

But i'm happy with the taste! I'm glad i added the raisins. I like the little bit of sweetness.

 

Here' my formula all my weights are in grams:

100% rye Levain (about 104% hydration)            252
Total Water 520
Beer119 
Water401 
Total Flour 470
white bread flour175 
w/w 0 
rye flour295 
   
Salt 17
Honey 8
Add ins: 120
Sunflower seeds40 
Pumpkin seeds40 
Raisins40 
   

This was a slow and low bake, 35mins on 400F with steam, then another 95 on 325F. I took it out of the tin for the last 15 mins and baked it on a baking tray.

The formula is an adaptation of this recipe:

http://www.theperfectloaf.com/rye-sourdough-and-smorrebrod/

What do ya'll think? 

Happy baking!

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