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This time I tried it with about 15.5 oz of water, 50% WW flour, resulting in a hydration of ~76% to 77%.

Fermented for 4 days in the refrigerator. Baked at 525dF, this time I staggered the loaves so the first loaf baked for about 25 minutes at 525dF, the second loaf baked at 525dF for 15 minutes, then 475dF until browned (about 20 to 25 minutes).

I lopped off a piece for a coworker who used to be a cook ... I haven't tried it myself.

Crumb is still a bit tight, however the oven spring is better than the previous version. I'd like a bit more openness to the crumb, so next version will have higher hydration (perhaps 80%?).

Cheers-
Dave

 

 

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After reading Reinhart's various and sundry compliments of the Poilane style, I thought it would be interesting to give it a try.

I made half of a batch ... I may post a crumb shot later today. The flavor is nice, but the crumb is very tight. You might see in the pic that there was some oven spring but not all that much ... I'm sure some of that is because WW is less extensible than breads based on white flours, but I'm fairly certain that some of it has to do with hydration.

The starter was made at the mass and hydration specified, it fermented overnight at ~66F then went into the fridge for 10 hours, then went into the final dough. The final dough fermented at 80F for about 3 hours and then went into the fridge for about 21 hours. I split the dough in half and preshaped 2 balls which proofed for about an hour at 80F. I then shaped 2 batards, seam-side up, which proofed overnight at ~66F. They definitely increased in volume which was nice to see. I flipped them, scored, and baked with steam on a stone at 525F for ~15 minutes, then baked until brown at 485F (~20 minutes). Final internal temp was measured with a meat thermometer at ~210F.

If I decide to try this recipe again I will go with a higher hydration. The flavor is an interesting mix of WW, nuttiness, and sour ... although the WW flavor is a bit much. Might be good to add in ~20% unbleached/white bread flour so as to back off on the heavy WW flavor. On the other hand making it with a higher hydration may also change the flavor profile...

Cheers-

Dave

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I'm interested in making a Poilane style bread, so I thought it might be interesting to make a BBA Basic Sourdough with half of the flour being whole wheat.

I made the dough up using the same procedure I've been using for the other Basic Sourdoughs, except (of course) using much more WW flour. Due to schedule conflicts the dough stayed in the refrigerator for 4 days ... I baked the loaves yesterday evening.

Shaping is still an issue and I haven't yet gotten to purchasing a linen, making transfer peels, etc. The batards are slightly misshapen, unfortunately. Baked at 525F for 15 minutes, then 475F for about 15 minutes (until the crust was the desired color).

Crumb is a bit tight despite following the same procedure previously used to achieve ~73% hydration, not sure if it is the result of WW flour needing more water, the excessively long cold fermentation and the yeast running out of "oomph," or the long ferment damaging the gluten.

Flavor is excellent, crumb is tender and fragrant, the crust is nicely flavored and crunchy. There is a slight sour note which is nice.

I have a Poilane style dough in the fridge at the moment and I'll likely bake it tonight ... more later.

-Dave

 

PS: I did bake a BBA Basic Sourdough 2 weeks ago that I didn't blog about ... went skiing with some friends on the weekend of the 18th/19th and baked some bread to bring along. I was in a rush so I didn't get a chance to take pics or post. One friend who came to visit the house we rented, a gent from France, particularly enjoyed the bread with dinner. I was quite happy about that!

 

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Another bake of BBA Basic Sourdough. Life interfered a bit on this one, had to drive to NY (from MD) to goto a party, then had a sports tournament the next day in PA. I had to let the preferment sit in the fridge for an extra day, and the autolysed flour also went into the fridge for a 24 hour period. After I mixed the dough I had intended a 36 hour ferment but I had some other priorities (... work ...) and it stayed in the fridge for 60 hours.

I preshaped and let the boules proof for 30 minutes at 80F. Final shaping is still a problem for me; I still haven't gotten a linen couche. The final loaves proofed seam-side-up for 45 minutes at 80F ... based on the final loaves I think they were underproofed (although I think it is also possible the poor shaping may also have contributed to the problem). I got an "ear" though so that was satisfying.

Flavor and texture were excellent, I baked in the morning and the first loaf was gone by dinner.

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So ... I finally got an ear (!!) which is good and I'm very happy. Huzzah!!

The "good" loaf is misshapen (the "bad" loaf is horribly misshapen) ... I did not do what I normally do, which is to jury-rig a couche with kitchen towels. I need a real linen couche, which is on my list of things to get. My older daughter (14 yo) was very surprised when I pulled the finished loaves from the oven and noted the ear (lol).

I made 2 loaves and was focusing on developing good surface tension, so I followed Dave Snyder's method of preshaping by forming into a ball, followed by final shaping and proofing. I put the loaves on floured cutting boards and let the final loaves proof seam-side up. When I went to bake I flipped the loaves, cut them, and loaded the oven (bakes at 520F for ~15 minutes, then 475F until browned ... interestingly this time it took quite a long time to brown to the degree I wanted). Steaming was accomplished with ice cubes every 3 minutes in a roasting pan, which was placed on the oven floor.

I followed Reinhart's BBA recipe, slightly modified it to use 1/8th ww and 1/8th rye flours. Also went to a bit over 14.5 ounces of water to get hydration in the neighborhood at 72%. I had some timing problems ... after kneading I placed the dough in the refrigerator with the intention of a 24-hour cold ferment. It ended up cold fermenting for 36 hours before I could do the final shaping, etc. Didn't seem to negatively impact the loaves. I bought some white rice flour and used it for the kneading, shaping, and final proofing. I might have used a bit too much but I'm not overly worried about it.

The better looking loaf was formed 2nd, and is closer to the right shape. I'm not sure if they're underproofed, I usually let the loaves proof at 80F for like 2 hours but for these I proofed them at 80F for about 45 minutes.

So I'm almost there. Need to focus on the final shape and use a couche.

On the flavor ... the bread is excellent. It's not sour despite the use of sourdough starter, but I really don't care about that. Interestingly my younger one had a slice for breakfast, and had to have a second slice because she liked it so much(!).

Crumb shots are from the "bad" loaf, one shot with a flash and one without.

Cheers-

Dave

 

 

 

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So the first loaf was pretty stiff. Upon reviewing the recipe I noticed that the water called for can range between 12 and 14 ozs, therefore the hydration of the main dough can vary between 59% and 70% ... of course the starter can affect the overall hydration and my starter is hydrated at 50% while Reinhart calls for 100% hydration in this recipe.

Oops.

Nonetheless the first batch was good. As I mentioned I gave a loaf to a friend who enjoyed it, and my kids housed the other loaf. A neighbor came over on Saturday afternoon and I gave him a piece and he also enjoyed it.

So I thought it would be interesting to make the next batch with everything the same except a higher hydration. On this loaf I did so by adding 14.5 ozs of water to the main dough, although the starter was still at 50%. (I used 1/8th ww flour, 1/8th rye flour, and the remainder was KAF bread flour).

As you can see the crumb is more open. I attribute this not only to the hydration, but I figured the first loaves could use a bit more proofing so I let these loaves go for 2.5 hours at 80F (first batch in the other blog post proofed for 2 hours at 80F).

I also changed my steaming approach. This time I added a plate of stainless steel on the floor of the oven (1/4" thick ... I made the plate as a heat "spreader" for stewing food). Resting on the plate is a roasting pan. During this bake I used ice cubes, tossing cubes in on 3 different occasions over the first 10 minutes of baking.

Prior to using ice cubes I would dump about a cup of water into the roasting pan (the pan sat on the oven floor).

Compared to the first loaves, these feel light and springy, and the crust on these loaves is thinner than the previous loaves (both cases the bread was baked on a baking stone at 515F for 15 min, then 475F for ~20 min). Not sure if that is an artifact of the dough hydration or steaming method, or both.

I was very focused on the scoring technique on these, trying to achieve an "ear," but was not really successful. (don't let the low-res pics fool you ... the one on the left has a teeny-tiny ear, the one on the right I scored again after ~10 minutes of baking). I re-reviewed the scoring tutorial, and this morning I re-reviewed the KAF instructional videos. I am fairly certain I need to change my technique in this way:

1. Add in preshape and proof, and develop surface tension (Reinhart doesn't call for this step).

2. Develop more surface tension in final shaping.

3. After final shaping, let proof seam-side up on a flipping board.

4. Correct my batard forming technique (I thought I was doing it per the KAF video but I was wrong). I need to get a proper baking couche since I'm jury-rigging using kitchen towels and my assymetric loaves are not of the proper "quality" according to our friends at KAF. Until I can get an order in to KAF or amazon, I saw a linen towel at Crate and Barrel and think that might do the trick for now ...

5. Scoring ... I need to fix this but am not sure how the KAF guys do it ... my dough is too sticky an the blade just drags through the dough. The KAF guys just zoom through the dough like it's not there - amazing!

I gave one loaf to my neighbor.

Regards-
Dave

 

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I followed Reinhart's recipe for "Basic Sourdough" and made 2 loaves (1 to give away to a friend).

I finally got some KAF bread flour which seems to have made a major difference and improvement (got good fermentation rises at all phases, and got a very nice oven spring).

1/8th of the flour is WW, and 1/8th is medium rye flour.

I'm watching my carbohydrate intake (am managing my weight ... have lost 20 lbs in the last year) ... so I had a very thin slice with butter - delicious! (although not sour, which is fine)

As evidenced by the crumb shot, the hydration is "low" at 65% ... I have to say that the dough was extremely elastic. I'm thinking on the next go-around to increase the hydration to 70% to see what happens.

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Made 2 of these for Christmas ... one for my family and one for my sister and her husband.

The pastry is a "Swedish Tea Ring" ... I know of a few versions of the recipe. I can post if there is any interest.

 

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As previously suggested I made a go at SJSD using commercial yeast. I used the TFL feature (where the SJSD recipe is posted) to make a half batch of dough.

Notes and Deviations from normal SJSD recipe:

1. Used 1/4 tsp of commercial yeast

2. Added yeast to 25g flour and 25g water and put it in fridge (to replicate 50g of starter called for in recipe)

3. Autolysed all of the flour for about 24 hours (was supposed to be overnight but timing got fouled up and had to go even longer)

4. Used "Jasons Ciabbatta" method with the Kitchen Aid to knead the dough after combining the autolysed flour, yeast, and salt ... I set the machine to "8" and let it go until the doughball cleared the sides and bottom, then went another 2 minutes.

5. I had intended to use the Kitchen Aid again at "8" to knead for 2 other 1-minute intervals but again life got in the way.

6. Not sure this is a deviation ...the dough went into the fridge for about 24 hours.

7. Because I wasn't able to use the KA to knead on 2 other occasions, I stretched and folded on 2 separate occasions after removing the dough from the fridge and in preparation for baking.

8. Shaped the dough into a ball and let it rise in the oven warmed to 80F for about 45 minutes. The stuff was so slack that it spread under its own weight (like the blob).

9. Shaped the dough into a batard. During both shaping events I worked the dough over pretty hard in an effort to build surface tension.

10. Warmed the oven to 80F, placed the dough on a floured surface (also between 2 towels to form a "couche" of sorts), and let rise for about an hour-and-a-half.

11. Transferred batard to parchment, let rise for another hour or so, slashed with DE razor blade.

12. Baked at 515F for ~12 minutes (with steam), then reduced oven temp to 475F and baked for 15 minutes (and a bit longer until loaf was brown).

13. I noticed the bread, upon removal from the oven, was making a high pitched squeal which I assume is the steam "squirting" out of the crust! Interesting!!

The crumb was almost a brown color, much darker than the previous loaf of SJSD made with SD starter ... because I used the KA at "8" to knead the previous loaf I'm assuming the gluten in that loaf became oxidized and did not in this loaf.

Oven spring was pretty good, not as good as the previous loaf. The slash definitely expanded but for whatever reason there is no ear or "tearing" of the crust.

Flavor is excellent. The kids love it and I do too. We polished off about 1/2 of the loaf last night.

Next time I try SJSD with commercial yeast I think I'll make the sponge a bit larger in mass.

It looks like I need to flip the dough prior to baking ... while Christmas shopping I noticed that the local Crate and Barrel sells linen dishcloths for about 12 bucks, so in the near future I'll get one. I also saw the metal batard pans at Williams Sonoma ... interesting but I'm not sure if I'm going to get one. My batards appear to be uniform/consistent in shape which is entertaining.

I'm still struggling to understand how y'all that make high hydration doughs 1) get any surface tension, 2) get such excellent oven spring, and 3) get an "ear" on your slash.

Regards-
Dave

 

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So I made another attempt at San Joaquin Sourdough and it seems that I'm making progress.

Notes:

Made half a batch (enough for 1 batard)

Switched to Gold Medal unbleached AP flour (from store brand AP).

I chose to mix the dough and water and let autolyse overnight as the levain rose as well.

Instead of stretch-and-fold I thought it might be interesting to try the "Jason's Ciabatta mix-the-hell-out-of-the-dough" approach. So when the levain was ready I mixed it, the autolysed flour/water, and salt using the dough hook and Kitchen Aid at speed 8. After the dough lifted from the bottom of the mixing bowl I let it continue mixing for another 60 seconds. Then I let the dough rest for 30 minutes. Then I ran the KA at 8 for another 60 seconds, then rest for 30 minutes, then 60 more seconds of KA at 8.

I put the dough in the fridge overnight.

Yesterday evening at 9PM I took the dough out of the fridge and formed it into a ball.

I let the dough rest overnight in a floured bowl (really a deep glass baking dish with a lid) ... this was placed in the coldest room of my house (about 60F).

This morning at 5:30 AM I shaped the dough into a batard, placed in a DIY "couche" (kitchen towels rolled up and floured), and put the shlamozzle into the utility closet (80F) where it rose for 3 hours until 8:30AM. The loaf sat on baking parchment. I did not flip it over prior to loading in the oven.

I scored the top with a double edge razor.

I put a metal baking pan in the bottom of the oven, and when I loaded the loaf I also put water in the pan.

Baked at 510F for about 12 minutes, then 475F for about 15 minutes. Oven spring looks pretty good (for me, anyways). The cut did expand but no "ear." Some nice little blisters on the crust.

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In the crumb pic you might be able to see a tear on the lower left part of the crust. There is a little "ear" there ... I only noticed it after I cut the loaf and inspected it. I guess I need to flip the loaf next time??

Am I right in thinking it's a bit underproofed?

Cheers-
Dave

 

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