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rgconner

Sourdough bake 10-2-2014

I have been building my starter for about 6 weeks now, and I am finally getting the results I want.

Not that the previous breads were bad, they just lacked the sort of oven spring I was getting from Commercial yeast.

Standard Forkish Lean dough.

1st feed: 12 hrs with KAF whole wheat. 100% hydration, 50g 

2nd feed: 12 hrs with Unbleached Shepard's Pride white 100% hydration. 100g

Poolish with 100g starter + 450g flour, 100% hydration, 12hrs

Final dough: additional 500g flour, 244g water, 22g salt

Stretch and fold 5 times, approx 30min apart. 

5hr bench rest until it tripled

Form and basket, allow to retard proof in fridge overnight, about 18hrs before I could bake them. They are not the same size, one is 750g, the other is whatever was left over, just shy of 1KG I would think.

30 min covered, 20 uncovered (bolder bake), 450F

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dabrownman

Ancient World Meets New One in Seeded Sprouted Sourdough

Lucy was thinking ancient this weeks and was studying the oldest thing she could think of at the time – The Sun.  The Poor thing is middle age at 5 billion years old and has an appetite like nothing else around here.  It gobbles up 400-600 million tons of hydrogen a second to overheat our world but it will be doing the overheating thing much better in the future.

 

It seems that over the next billion years or so the sun will get larger and burn hotter as it moves on to doing what all stars its size do.  The temperature on the Earth will be at least 100 degrees hotter then too – too bad for us poor humans long before then .......as the Earth’s oceans boil away.

 

But that is nothing, the Sun will keep getting bigger and hotter for another 4 billion years after that until the Earth is engulfed inside the expanding Sun and turned into a burnt cinder.   I asked Lucy why she was so into the Sun and she said that she wanted to bone up on man made global warming and one thing led to another.

 

One other thing it led to was the fact that Mars is also going through a period of global warming right now that is much worse than the Earth’s.  Then it made sense to Lucy why we want to send people to live on Mars.

 

Obviously, humans must be a moderating factor when it comes to the extremes of global warming.   The poor Martians need humans living there to help them moderate their totally out of control global warming thing they have going on there right now.  Sadly, we can’t get there for a coupe pf decades and by then all of the Martians might be dead - anther species we could have saved .....

 

After 6 hours of retard.

Truthfully, I am more concerned about what is going to happen to us poor humans over the next billion years as the Sun tries to fry us.  Is there nothing we can do?  How do we get the 7 billion people living here now (and who knows how many billions more by then) off the Earth to another home by then when we can’t even get a couple of people to Mars in time to save the Martians from reallybad global warming?

 

After 18 hours of retard.

Thankfully, Lucy says she has the answer to that question already figured out.  It is comforting to know that and we can sleep well knowing we will be safe and sound and be able to easily defeat the Sun itself .....as it comes knocking on our door like the grim reaper ......sooner than we think.

 

Off to this week’s Ancient meets New World bake including the 3 farros (not the pharaohs) from the Ancient World with potatoes and wheat from the New World…. even though wheat was introduced to the New World from the Old World but at least the wheat didn’t come from the Ancient World which would have ruined the whole post if you ask me.

 

The whole grains make up 50% of the flour in this mix, they were all sprouted and consisted of einkorn, emmer and spelt.   Boiled potato wasn’t enough so Lucy added potato flakes and used the water to boil the potatoes as the dough liquid.  In keeping with her penchant to put rye flour in every bread, she snuck some whole rye into the first of 3 levain builds.

 

She then retarded the finished levain for 12 hours when it doubled after the 3rd feeding.  There were 2 starters used of 6 g each.  Both were rye sour with the only difference being one had been stored in the fridge for 22 weeks and the other had been stored for only 6 weeks – another ancient and new twist according to Lucy.  The levain ended up being 15% pre-fermented flour.

 

After a 1 hour warm up of the levain and autolyse of the dough flour, now mashed potato, potato flakes and potato water with the pink Himalayan sea salt sprinkled on top, the levain was mixed in for the first of 6 sets of slap and folds- a new Lucy record for slap and folds and a move away from stretch and folds at the end to get the add ins well incorporated.

 

If you smoke some chicken thighs and country style ribs. you can make a tray of green chili, tomatillo, grilled onion and pepper, clour (or Florn) smoked meat enchiladas..

After 3 sets of 30 slap and folds on 30 minute intervals we did 3 sets of 4 slap and folds on 30 minute intervals when the seeds were added in.  The seeds included sunflower as well as chia and chopped flax seeds which were also soaked in 60 g of water so the chia seeds wouldn’t suck all the water out of the dough.  Instead of bulk retarding for 21 hours we decided to do a shaped retard of 18 hours.

 

Without a bulk retard on the counter we shaped the dough into a squat oval and placed it into a rice floured basket, bagged it in a trash can liner and in the fridge it went.  We checked it at 6 hours, thinking the bulk of proof would be over, the dough cold and it looked fine.

 

The net morning it was clear that the dough had continued to proof in the cold nearly as much as it had proof in the first 6 hours.  So much for the old idea that the proofing takes place early in the retard cycle before the dough gets too cold!  It looked a bit over proofed at the 18 hour mark, not horribly but definitely over proofed.

We immediately fired up Big Old Betsy to 500F with the Combo Cooker inside.  We un-molded the cold dough onto parchment on a peel.   It slashed easily and we slid it into the combo cooker and baked it at 450 F for 20 minutes covered.

 

When the lid came off we saw that the spring and bloom was less than usual die to the over proofing – but it did blister well with the dough being so cold.  We turned the oven down to 425 F and turned the fan on to dry the crust and brown it up.  5 minutes later we took the now set bread out of the cooker and put it on the stone to finish.

 

After 18 minutes of dry heat total, the bread thumped done and it had browned beautifully.  We turned off the oven and left the bread to crisp further on the stone with the oven door ajar for 5 more minutes.  We expect the crumb to be more open than usual because it always is when the dough goes through a shaped long retard and it over proofs a bit - and it seems to over proof every time this way too!

 

Lucy reminds us to not forget the salad to go with with that enchilada and the end of monsoon  Arizona sunset..

We will have to wait and see exactly what happened when we slice the bread for lunch in a few hours.  The crumb came out very soft moist and open for a bread of this type.  Most of all it is delicious.  The sprouted grains and seeds really came through and it made a fine summer sausage sandwich for lunch with the usual fixings.  We like this bread a lot,.

 

 

SD Levain Build

Build 1

Build 2

 Build 3

Total

%

22 Week Retarded Rye Sour

6

0

0

6

1.21%

Whole Rye

12

0

0

12

2.42%

25 % Extract. Sprouted Ancient Grain

0

24

33

57

11.52%

75 % Extract. Sprouted Ancient Grain

0

0

7

7

1.41%

Water

12

24

40

76

15.35%

Total

30

48

80

158

33.13%

 

 

 

 

 

 

Levain Totals

 

%

 

 

 

Sprouted Ancient and Whole Rye Grains

79

15.96%

 

 

 

Water

79

15.96%

 

 

 

Levain Hydration

100.00%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dough Flour

 

%

 

 

 

LaFama AP

240

48.48%

 

 

 

75 % Extract. Sprouted Ancient Grain

176

35.56%

 

 

 

Total Dough Flour

416

84.04%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Salt

9

1.82%

 

 

 

Potato Water

295

59.60%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dough Hydration

70.91%

 

 

 

 

Total Flour w/ Starter

495

 

 

 

 

Potato Water & Water

374

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Add Ins

 

 

 

 

 

Boiled Potato

37

7.47%

 

 

 

Water

60

12.12%

 

 

 

Potato Flakes

8

1.62%

 

 

 

15 g ea Cracked Flax & Chia

30

6.06%

 

 

 

Sunflower seeds

75

15.15%

 

 

 

Total Add Ins

210

42.42%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hydration with Starter

75.56%

 

 

 

 

Total Weight

1,138

 

 

 

 

% Whole & Sprouted Grain

50.91%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sprouted Ancient Grain flour is equal amounts of: of einkorn, emmer and spelt

 

 

 

 

 

 

Water in Add ins not included in hydration calculations.

 

 

 

  

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Cecilia.Bedelia

Slow, runny starter--advice?

Hello everyone! I'm a novice, relatively, with a scientific mind who has been baking with sourdough and generally pursuing the subject of fermentation as a hobby (is that a thing?) for about a year and a half. I "captured" my starter from "wild yeast," and have always had great success with it. 

However, as I'm sure is a common tale, my starter (90% hydration rye) was relatively dormant this summer and neglected in the refrigerator, and when I attempted to revive it I was not terribly pleased with the results--the loaves that I made with it (Wild Yeast's norwich sourdough and Silverton's walnut sourdough) rose well, but the flavor wasn't all there and the starter's activity was rather sluggish).

I'm trying to troubleshoot this, and my first attempt has been to remove some starter and try feeding it 100% white flour at 100% hydration to see if I can nurse it back to life. However, even in my warm kitchen, I'm now getting practically no activity--even 24 hours after feeding, it simply has some small bubbles at the top, a ripe aroma, and has not risen at all (in fact, it's rather runny and slack.) I'm looking for some advice--should I start persistently feeding at 12 hours (regardless of its activity level) until it starts showing signs of life? Switch flours or hydrations? I'm willing to experiment--I have backup starter in the fridge just in case.

My first post! I'm so excited to be part of this community--I've been reading forums and posts for months (I suppose the proper term is "lurking") and I'm thrilled to have the chance to solicit some input. Many thanks in advance.

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breadmd

Sourdough Bread, Simpler

 

Real Sourdough Bread, Simpler

 

I love love love to cook and bake, and try to keep it simple (or it would quickly consume my life). Here's what I've come up with to make authentic sourdough bread…simpler.

 

Making sourdough is a bit different than other types of bread. Some encouragement: the way I make sourdough uses the same usual ingredients, but is tweaked to be simpler and easier, by combining some of the steps of traditional methods—and all with the same authentic, wonderful results.

 

Note to beginners: If any part of this recipe is confusing (especially the underlined words) do not despair. Detailed definitions and explanations follow below.

 

Recipe:

 

Preheat oven and baking stone to 450 degrees.

 

One cup (refrigerated) fed starter (250 grams)

3 cups white flour (420 grams)

1 cup or more of water

1.5 tsp salt (11 grams).

Combine ingredients and knead for 10 minutes. Then, stretch and fold dough every 10 minutes of so for about an hour. Place dough in a well-oiled plastic bowl with plenty of room to rise. Spritz the top with water, and cover with plastic cling wrap. Eight to 24 hours later (when the dough has at least doubled, let it go longer for more rise), turn your bowl of dough upside down onto an oiled countertop, cut into smaller portions if desired and gently shape into loaves (keep in all the rise you can!), let rest on parchment paper for 20 minutes or so, score the tops, spritz again with water and bake on a pan or stone and parchment paper for 22 or so minutes at 450°.

Primer on Sourdough Bread

Sourdough bread is said to be the holy grail of bread, harder to make then normal baker’s bread (or bread that uses yeast and sugar). It’s really not that hard, though, if you follow the method I’ve developed. You can do it, and it’s fun to make something historic, rustic looking, full of that tangy flavor, chewy texture, and amazing aroma. You’ll only get all that by using what sourdough bread makers have used for eons. There’s simply no satisfactory substitute.

From what I understand, sourdough came about hundreds and hundreds of years ago when flour and water were mixed and sat in the heat, fermenting. Yeast and bacteria began to grow, and the mixture consequently bubbled slowly (this batter-like stuff is what bakers today call “starter” when making sourdough bread).

When starter is exposed to the cold (like overnight in ancient homes without much heat), yeast grows more slowly at those low temperatures. However, the bacteria grow via fermentation when it’s cold, which produces as byproducts both sugar and lactic acid. The lactic acid is what makes the sourdough sour.

When the next day dawns and warmth returns, the sugar is metabolized (eaten) by the warming (and therefore more active) yeast, which creates carbon dioxide as another byproduct (a gas). This causes leavening (rising of the dough, hence the little air spaces in bread). So, as you can surmise, when some of the starter is mixed with additional water, flour, and salt, and a dough is formed, the dough has the potential to rise because of the sugar and yeast which are present naturally, without being added separately by the baker. Back in the day, keeping a starter that had this culture of bacteria and yeast was essential to make leavened bread.

Learn to do this simple process, and you’ll impress your friends and enjoy the sourdough bread on your own. But, you’ll also feel a bit like you’re doing something that hearkens way, way back—a mystical, tangy, almost magical connection to those early bread makers.

 

You can buy starter online if you want. I think you’ll enjoy making your own, though. It’s easy and more satisfying.

 

To begin, here’s how to create your own starter from scratch:

 

Get a glass jar with a very wide mouth and a way to cover it, but leave a small crack for air. I use an Anchor brand ½ gallon jar like this:

You can buy one at Wal-Mart or Amazon for about $10.

 

Put 1/2 cup white flour and 1/3 cup water in the jar and mix it. Some bakers recommend a Dutch whisk, but I prefer a butter knife to mix the starter because it’s so easy to clean (scrape) off with another butter knife. Easy to clean up and almost no wasted starter. Win-win! As the days pass, adjust the daily added amounts of water and flour if necessary so that the combination is about the consistency of thick pancake batter. Repeat in 12 hours, then in another 12 hours, and do this for about a week, maybe two. Over that period of time you ‘ll notice the starter begins to bubble and smell yeasty.  After a couple of weeks, you can feed the starter once a day instead of twice. Keep the starter covered with the lid slightly cracked open between feedings.

 

When you have a good strong starter, you can keep it in the fridge and feed it less often (more on that below).

 

When you read about making sourdough bread, crackers, biscuits, and so forth, the recipe will often call for “fed starter.” This simply means the starter has recently (within an hour or so) had its daily dose of water and flour (hence, it’s been fed, or in other words, it’s had its food, and can stay alive--bubbling away). The starter is not fed (called “unfed” starter in recipes) if it’s been sitting for maybe 12 or more hours without the addition of new flour and water.

Let’s address the question, “Which flour and water to use when making starter?” Answer: Use white flour only. I don’t think it matters much if it’s all purpose or bread flour. Don’t use self-rising flour. You can use whole-grain wheat, or oat or other grain flours, but the odor of the starter will begin to be less than pleasant, euphemistically speaking. Some call the odor produced by whole grain starter, “skunky.”

 

Also, avoid water that has chlorine or metal. Some city water will be chlorinated, and the chlorine can reportedly interfere with the growth of the bacteria and yeast. I do know several people use city tap water, however, and have plenty of success with their starter, so don’t be overly afraid of tap water. Just a point of info if your starter isn’t bubbling and healthy and you don’t know why.

 

The caution about metal in the water is mostly aimed at those who use well water, like me. Metals can also inhibit the growth of bacteria and yeast. Some bakers will recommend filtered water or distilled water. Although we have lots of iron in our well water here in Colorado, we have some kind of a system set up in the basement that supposedly takes the iron out, but I know it’s not perfect. Even still, I’ve never had any problem with my water inhibiting the growth of the starter. I do get my water from the dispenser on the refrigerator because that water goes through one additional carbon filter.

 

Because it’s convenient, if you can use your own tap water, you are much more likely to find success making sourdough, especially over time. Few will want the inconvenience of buying gallons of distilled water to keep their starter going. Of course, for others, getting water that works is a small price to pay to be able to make this wonderful goodness.

A word of warning: making sourdough bread is a small commitment…and addictive. To the commitment point, starter needs to be taken care about once a week. It’s easy--it only takes a few minutes--and you can even take a break (more on that below). Still, it’s like having fish to feed or some other little mundane task that adds to your weekly duties.

 

But, don’t worry, when you go on vacation, you can put your starter in the refrigerator and when you get home it will be fine. You can do this for weeks at a time if you decide you’re tired of making sourdough for a while. I know of someone who put his starter in the fridge for the entire winter and it was still usable in the spring.

 

I have found that starter is very forgiving. The fridge helps discourage growth of mold. And, if some mold grows on the top, scrape it off, discard, and use what’s below. I’ve done this and have had no ill effects.

Here is one way I depart with some bakers. I’ve never seen this advocated, but I keep my starter in the fridge, not on the counter. The reasons are several.

 

First, it works. I can see some arguing that the starter needs to be at room temperature to keep the yeast going. In my experience, the fridge works just fine. The dough rises well, the starter keeps on bubbling along. Second, no fruit flies. One summer I had a fruit fly problem, and the little guys seemed to like the starter. Third, the starter is always ready, always sour. Most sourdough recipes have you keep the starter on the counter, make a dough, and refrigerate the dough to make it sour. No need for this step if you keep the starter in the fridge. Fourth, it’s easier to maintain. With the slower rate of growth cold temperatures require, there is less tendency toward undesirable mold growth on the starter. In fact, since I’ve been keeping the starter in the fridge, I haven’t seen any mold growth at all, unlike when the starter was kept at room temp.

 

Here are a few more ways my method departs from the traditional. Many of the recipes out there require you to measure the water and flour and salt very carefully, to the gram. There are (in my view) many too-strict guidelines in terms of exact technique and of how long you stretch and fold the dough, how long you put it in the refrigerator, and how long you let it rise. Some want to tell you your starter needs to be a certain percent moist (how do you measure that?!?) Such advice is for me confusing and discouraging. Sourdough is easier to make than quick rise/sweet bread in at least this one way—it’s way more flexible and forbearing (keep reading for the how to!). And, the product I get is very consistent in texture, shape, aroma, taste, and color.

 

The way I’ve learned to make it seems closer to how it would have been made hundreds of years ago. Back then, they didn’t have scales that measured the amount of starter and flour and water to the gram. They just made it. They were trying to survive. They needed the process to be simple and flexible. That’s what the following method is.

If you have a Kitchen Aid or Bosch mixer, the next step will be much easier than if you don’t. You can power through kneading the dough of course, because that’s how it’s been made for centuries. If you don’t have a mixer, I refer you to this video for tips on how to knead bread dough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySOj0fFWo1U

I’m hoping my experience with a Bosch translates well to other bread mixers that use a dough hook.

 

Enough of this--let’s get to the details of how.

 

To begin you’ll need:

 

(approximately)

1 cup fed starter

1 cup water

1.5 tsp salt

3 cups flour

 

Mix about a cup of fed starter, a cup of water, and 1.5 tsp of salt. Add flour a couple of tablespoons at a time until you have a nice dough that pulls away from the edges of the mixer. I prefer to use this method instead of measuring the flour, because everyone measures flour a little differently (unless it’s weighed). Allow the bread to knead for about 10 minutes.

Now, stretch and fold the dough, which will stiffen it up. This part requires you to be around for about an hour. Here’s a video that gives good instruction on how to stretch and fold dough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1timJlCT3PM

 

Now, place the dough into an over-large plastic oiled bowl, spritz the top with water, and place cling wrap over the top to keep the air out and moisture in. Let it rise from 8-24 hours. It will more than double in size. You can bake it anytime, after it’s at least doubled in size.

 

I’ve never seen sourdough rise so much that it fell. This ruinous event can happen when you make typical yeast bread, which has sugar and “fast-rise” yeast added. Here we find another way sourdough is easier and more flexible. I have let my sourdough rise for 24+ hours. It just keeps rising. The one thing you have to do is remember to keep the top moist so the dough doesn’t get crusty on top, as happens in dry climates like Colorado. This is not a problem if the bowl is covered with cling wrap. You also have to make sure your dough isn’t rising so much that it spills out of your bowl. This has happened to me several times. I have often seen sourdough rise to 5X it’s original size.

After 24 hours or so, preheat your oven (with a baking stone in the oven, or if you don’t have one, with a cookie sheet turned upside down) to 450 degrees F and turn your bowl over onto a greased countertop. The dough will slowly separate from the bowl and fall to the counter. I use olive oil to grease the countertop, because it seems kind of rustic and it’s the oil recommended by sourdough bread experts. You can use any type of cooking oil, though, and I often use canola without any change in outcome or flavor. Gently cut it into the size of the loaves you want. It will deflate a bit. Don’t worry—it’ll pop back up in the oven. Pull the ends of the dough pieces to the middle and pinch them to the dough in the center until it becomes something of a ball. Here’s a video that helps you learn how to make this type of loaf (a boule).

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmTPL2J8OZk

 

Place the dough on parchment paper that is on an upside down cookie sheet. You will have 1-2 boules 5 to 10 inches across. Let them “rest” for 20 or so minutes while the oven preheats.

Before you put the dough in the oven, score the top. This simply means to cut a line or two across the top, maybe a quarter or half inch deep, so that the dough will expand into that cutline while cooking and not break open in some other unsightly place.

 

To score the dough, simply use a serrated bread knife, running it back and forth over the top until it cuts a nice straight line. There are lots of videos about how to score dough. People will recommend you buy razors, fancy instruments, and so forth. If you’re making bread, you probably have a serrated bread knife. That will work just fine, even if it’s dull. It’s what I use. In fact, I prefer it over razor blades and such things. Just go slow with the scoring, back and forth until the crust starts to cut, then down into the dough a bit.

 

Then, slide your dough, leaving it on the parchment paper, off the cookie sheet and onto a cooking stone if you have one, or just onto another upside down cookie sheet if you don’t. Bake for about 22 minutes.

 

You don’t really need a cooking stone. It just makes you feel like an Italian baker from the 13th century. And, that’s a cool feeling, ?

The bread will rise significantly while in the oven. This is called oven bloom. You may want to spritz the loaves with water just before you put them in, then again at 10 minutes, and then again just before you take out the bread. The moisture will help the oven bloom, because it will keep the top from cooking and becoming hard and allow the dough to rise a bit more. I’m not sure this is necessary, because I have done it without spritzing and haven’t noticed much of a difference. This will also soften the crust on top. If for no other reason, spritzing also makes you feel cool, the baking stone, so it’s well worth doing. :)

 

One interesting thing about sourdough is that there are so few ingredients. It’s made out of water, white flour, and salt. That’s it. Of course, the starter does have bacteria, lactic acid, sugar, and yeast, which it has obtained from the air or the flour and the process itself, but you do not add these separately. The only ingredients you’ve used in making the sourdough are flour, water, and salt. So cool.

Because there are essentially no sugars or oil, sourdough is traditionally light on top when it’s done baking. Bread with sugar-added caramelizes, which makes a brown crust. Breads with oil-added will toast the top and create a brown crust. If you prefer to have a crust that’s brown on top, brush your bread with olive or canola oil before you put it in the oven. The bottom of the bread will turn brown no matter what you do, simply because the starch itself is toasting. I do not recommend brushing with sugar water to get a brown crust because it will take away some of the tanginess of the sourdough.

 

By the way, only use white flour in the starter, but feel free to use whole grain flour in your bread when you’re making sourdough. It gives a nutty taste, and adds some nice variety and some fiber.

 

A couple parting thoughts:

 

The more flour you add when making the dough, the drier and easier to work with the dough will be. The wetter you allow the dough to be, the larger the holes will be in your bread. (This is called the “crumb” in baker’s parlance. For example, an open crumb has large holes).

 

Maybe you wonder, “If I vary the amount of flour and starter, how do I know how much salt to put in?” If you’re not keeping track of how much flour you’re putting in, you probably don’t know how much salt you need to put it. For the recipe above, 1.5 teaspoons of salt seems about right. A good rule of thumb is one and one quarter teaspoon of salt for every 3 cups of flour.

 

Happy baking! Mark Lyman

 

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PETER PEARCE

"00" Flour

Just a general enquiry, I have seen some recipes the call for type "00" flour. Could anyone tell me what that is and how it may be different from strong flour? I am thinking of trying Ciabatta and the recipe asks to use type "00" Flour.

Thanking you all in advance

Peter

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leslieruf

follow up question to another post

- can't remember whose.  The comment related to Forkish breads and internal temperature and the crust.  My question is - what is the impact of baking longer just to get that deep dark crust thay Ken strives for even though internal temperature may have already hit 209°F. I can achieve a nice brown crust but not dark or as brittle as his.  I bake at about 440°C for 20 mins in DO rest of time about 15 mins uncovered.  Does the crumb dry out more if left in longer?  will it stale more easily?

I have also found using my DO on a stone gives a quite hard crust underneath making loaf hard to cut but last time dropped the stone one rung in the oven and put DO just on oven rack.  I feel crust is a little thinner and is easier to cut.  do others have this issue as well?

Leslie

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Rizqi

Sourdough flaxseed 80% hydration

this is my first trial i try to make sourdough with soaking flaxseed.

 

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alfanso

David's SD Italian Baguettes

Another trip up north, but this time I'm staying home to tend to the dog.  However some baguettes will be accompanying my wife on the journey - destination in-laws, as usual.  The recent bake of Hamelman's Pain au Levain are scheduled to travel, and now these baguettes based on David Snyder's SJSD Italian Baguettes.  Next up will probably be my take on his SJSD baguettes.  That should hold the Old Folks over for a few meals.

These didn't open quite as much as the P au L baguettes did, but the bloom on those were really outstanding.  However, nothing to complain about here.  The taste of these is just truly spectacular.  They might just be #1 on my palate's hit parade.

alan

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GranolaMom

Cast Iron vs. Stoneware Loaf Pans

New to "The Fresh Loaf" and so happy to have found you all!  I'm exploring cast iron vs. stoneware loaf pans for making whole grain bread.  I'm a "seasoned" cast iron user and it's all I use for cooking however I do have a stoneware muffin pan that has worked well.   You can't beat the price of cast iron over stoneware.  What do you prefer and why?  

It's between the Lodge http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QM8SMK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER and the Hartstone http://www.chefscatalog.com/product/26648-hartstone-pottery-loaf-pan-baking-stone.aspx#BVRRWidgetID.  

I do like that the Hartstone is bigger.  

Also should mention that I plan to make traditional three rise bread.  Thanks all!

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Grain mill comparison for beginner

I have a family of 5, and am looking to start milling my own grains. I am racking my brains out trying to choose one as there are upsides, downsides to every single one of them or they are $1000! I dont care what it looks like, I dont care if its bulky, I am even willing to put some sweat into it for a quality nutritious final product. I would prefer a stone mill over a micronizer but even within the stone mill realm its so confusing.... more pluses I care about are its ability to flake/roll oats, volume, and make cornmeal, grind oily seeds is a cherry on top. To save me hours and hours of searching for reviews, details  and a possible regretful purchase, could any knowledgeable breadmakers out there PLEASE HELP? Thanks!

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