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Dough strength from machine mixing/kneading

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Dave Cee

Dough strength from machine mixing/kneading

I read but I don't always retain. I'm sure this was all discovered long ago and I am just "rediscovering" it now.

I usually machine mix my dough for about 10 minutes total, on speed 1 or 2 on Wifey's ancient Kitchen Aid mixer. That would be 8 minutes with starter, followed by 30 minute fermento-lyse and 2 minutes additional mixing to incorporate the salt.

Yesterday I turned the mixer speed up to 4 and used that speed setting for the whole 8 + 2 minutes of mixing time.

When I turned the dough out of the mixer bowl into my wooden bowl I noticed the dough was very stiff or tight, much more so than usual and maintained good strength throughout the next 6 hours of stretches, folds, resting, preshaping, final shaping and proofing before retardation in a large bread tin.

Since I was making a large tin (sandwich) loaf I didn't get to test the dough strength after turning it out of a banneton prior to slashing and baking. But the dough performed well for my intended purposes and in a few weeks I will try to replicate this in a free-standing loaf.

So regarding mixing at higher speed: Are my observations consistent with established techniques or just a fluke?

Thanks and best wishes. Dave

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happycat

I often run my KA Pro at 4 or so for any kind of dough. It seems a speed that is likely to pick up the dough, form a clean ball on my spiral hook, and clean the bowl. I boost the speed temporarily if the dough spends too much time on the hook to loosen it off then return to 4. I find 2 to be very slow and not really enough speed to pull dough together.

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Benito

I also find that after the dough has fermentolysed, I will increase the speed to 3-4 on my KA.  As David also found, at lower speeds it spend too much time just on the dough hood.  At higher speeds it will actually knead against the bowl.  Even with 100% whole wheat you can get good gluten development this way.

Benny

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DanAyo

Recently I have been on a sandwich bread bender. TX Farmer has quite a bit of super informative information. Read these post and and the links that TXF has in them. She does a great job of teaching how to do an Intense Gluten Development. 

https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/23061/extremely-sourdough-soft-sandwich-bread-most-shreddble-soft-velvety-ever

Here are my latest efforts.
https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69864/super-sd-sandwich-bread-formula-method

Your crumb looks great to me!
HTH