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Submitted by dmsnyder on February 12, 2012 - 8:20pm My San Francisco Sourdough Quest, Take 3
San Francisco-style Sourdough Bread 2/12/2012 Today, I baked two more loaves of my evolving San Francisco-style Sourdough bread. (See: My San Francisco Sourdough Quest and My San Francisco Sourdough Quest, Take 2) The only change in the formula was to double the amount of dough, so each loaf was twice the weight of those previously baked. As those who have followed this adventure may note, there were also some minor changes in the procedures. The only really important one was to bake the breads at a lower temperature for a longer time, as an accommodation to their larger mass. Those who have asked for ingredient weights in metric measures will be happy to note that weights are now given in grams. So, here are the formula and procedures for today's bake. I have adjusted the tables below for 1 kg and for a 2 kg batch of dough.
Note: Because I was baking larger loaves, the oven temperature was set lower and the bake time was lengthened. Also note that, if you make two loaves of this size, it may be prudent to bake one at a time, unless your oven stone is larger than my 16 X 14 inch one. Those who enjoy soft crust and cannot abide a sour-tasting sourdough would be well-advised to skip making this bread. On the other hand, it is as close to my ideal San Francisco-style sourdough as I expect to get.
San Francisco-style Sourdough Crumb The crust was thick and very crunchy but not “hard.” The crumb was denser than my first attempt but somewhat open and fully aerated with varying sized alveolae. The crust had a sweet, nutty flavor. The crumb had sweetness but a moderately present acetic acid tang. I can't promise I won't tweak this further or conduct experiments on, for example, the difference between proofing at room temperature, 76 degrees F and 85 degrees F. However, I expect to be making this bread regularly pretty much as I did this week. I also baked the Tartine “Basic Country Bread” and Hamelman's “Pain au Levain” this weekend.
Tartine Basic Country Bread
Tartine Basic Country Bread crumb
Pain au Levain, from Hamelman's Bread
Pain au Levain, from Hamelman's Bread, crumb David Submitted to YeastSpotting
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Wow! That's a Lots of Loaves!
You been busy, Bro.
All are beautiful. The BCB crumb looks perfect.
Glenn
Thanks, Glenn!
Yeah. Lots of breads. The three doughs kept me on my feet most of yesterday. It almost felt like "work."
David
Nice bakes, David.
It's an intruiging ride, your SF SD quest. I'm not a huge fan of very sour SD bread, but as you commented in another thread, your version of the SFSD allows other flavours to come through. I like the sound of those sweet, nutty tones cohabiting with the sour. Have this one marked down to try, but will be away travelling in Thailand and Laos for a month leaving next week, so may be a while from now. Anyway, looking forward to trying it, and thanks for taking us along as you've progressed to this current version.
Cheers
Ross
Thanks, Ross!
At some point, I will try to make this bread in a less sour version. If you want to try it, my suggestion would be the following changes:
1. Use a younger levain, and don't retard it overnight.
2. Do the bulk fermentation at room temperature.
3. Don't retard the formed loaves.
My expectation is you would get a nice, French-style pain au levain. (But I can't imagine one better than those I get using Hamelman's formula.)
Have a safe journey and return!
David
Very impressive, David,
both in execution and in appearance. A good testimony to the importance of attending to each of the details.
Paul
Thanks, Paul!
David
All 3
Hi David,
They all look wonderful, but I happen to think the Pain au Levain is the "pick of the bunch"
All good wishes
Andy
Thanks, Andy!
Good choice!
David
Great, David.. all look very
Great, David.. all look very attractive!
Though the SF sourdough crust looks paler than your previous attempt. (Paler as opposed to the rich redness your crusts always enjoy).
Thanks, Khalid!
I think the slightly paler crust resulted from the lower baking temperature, in this case.
David
All very nice, but I must say
All very nice, but I must say your Pain au Levain are awesome. Next time I make it, I'll put your pictures on my screen to keep my standards from slipping. -Varda
Thanks, Varda!
David
Very Impressive David
Gives the rest of us goals to strive for. Nice Job.
Thanks, MichaelH!
David
Fabulous results !
Your loaves are so beautiful, David. I am also interested in the camera with which you took the pictures. The bokeh shot of the Tartine crumb is perfect !
Best,
Anna
Camera @ Anna
The photos were taken with a Canon Digital Elph. Nothing fancy. It does have a fair macro function. I do a bit of color correction, etc. in Photoshop Elements.
Thanks for the compliment!
David
Very professional, David.
For my birthday this year I have put a DSLR camera on my wishlist. Just deciding which one is a huge undertaking :)
Thank you,
anna
The crust of your Bread David
The crust of your Bread David is so incredibly crunchy, and the whole bread looks wonderful. Thanks for sharing. Your recipe is now officially on my list of breads to try!
Cheers
Better for me to wait for the summer
at the moment my average kitchen temperature (in the Cotswolds) is around sixty degrees with all heaters going. . it would probably take a week to get the rise needed. your loaves do look wonderful, though, so I'll wait for as much of a heatwave as we get.
76 vs 85 degrees for final proofing?
David, can you give us any perspective on the difference between the 2 loaves with the final proofing at 76 vs 85 degrees? Difficult to maintain 85 degrees in my kitchen.
Thank you, Otis
Final proof temp. @ Otis
I don't think it makes a ton of difference. In theory, the higher proof temperature should give you a little more SD tang, and it will be a bit faster.
Actually, I think the biggest difference is getting the whole loaf up to temperature before baking, rather than having a greater temperature differential between the surface and center. I think this improves the crumb structure. This is much more of an issue if you are making a very large boule - say 1.5 kg or larger - than with a smaller one.
David
AP Flour for Sourdough
I'm curious -- is there a reason you're using AP Flour in your final dough instead of bread flour? It looks like you're getting great results and I'm wondering if that's one of the reasons.
Thanks!
Flour Choice @ BigelowBaker
AP flour gives me the crumb and crust I want with this bread. Note that the AP flour I use is 11.5-11.7% protein. If I wanted a thicker crust or a chewier crumb, I'd use Bread Flour and increase the hydration a bit.
I used BF for the levain because it resists proteolysis better than AP.
David