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Submitted by teketeke on June 7, 2011 - 10:38am My favorite baguette.Note: 6/13/2011 To make good crust and flavor for a baguette, especially in summer, I really watch out for the dough temperature more than the time and roomtemperature.
I pulled together in one recipe from my post of Amazing airy baguette that I posted before http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/22286/amazing-airy-holey-baguettes It has been 2 months since I made a baguette last time that was in April 1st this year. I copied the recipe and method below and baked a baguette today. It came out good. The shaping and scoring are not perfect but I am pleased with it.
Ingredients: KA AP 130g Raisin yeast water 14g Water 76g ( DDT 69F /20.5℃) Salt 2.1g ------------------------------------- Method: ( I always set up at 6pm around so I can bake at 6am next morning) 1. 2.
3.I moved the dough at room temperature around 18-19℃ for about 8 hours 4. 5.
6.
7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12 Prepare the steaming towels ( Sylvia's steaming method), Scoring, then ready to bake. 13.Preheated 470F ( I can't use maximum temperature 500F because I broke the fuze twice before- too much baking for baugettes) 1) Bake at 470F for 7 minutes with steam ( Sylvia's steaming method http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/20162/oven-steaming-my-new-favorite-way) 2) Take out of the steaming towels and a parchement that was on the baguette, then decrease the temperature to 450F and bake more 13 minutes. 3) Shut off the oven and open the door a little bit and leave the baguette for 3 minutes in the oven. - I got this idea from David. Thank you, David.
How I score a baguette:
1)
↑ Note: For*Score the dough the same speed and depth. I score the top and end that I marked on red (the picture above) again reversely to make the cut depth evenly because my scoring of the top and end is always shallower. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you slice when you score the dough?
----------------------------------------------------- I will leave the method to make raisin yeast water for reference. http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/23809/how-i-make-and-maintain-raisin-yeast-water Happy baking, Akiko
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Thanks
Akiko,
Your formula never failed me unless I change your formula (that was my own fault). I baked them before so I knew how good they tasted. I love your outdoor photography. Thank you again for the updating especially using yeast water version.
Kimmy
Hi Kimmy, Thank you for your
Hi Kimmy,
Thank you for your very kind words, Kimmy :) I don't know about photography but I am studying your skill :P I am glad to hear that my formulas work out for you. I am very happy! Thank you, Kimmy!
Happy baking,
Akiko
This looks fantastic
I have been reading all these posts about yeast water and just went back to read your post on making it. Thanks for all the detail in both posts. Your baguette looks fabulous. I can't quite tell but it seems to be very long. Also, I'm wondering about your scoring diagram. You score the same loaf twice? What is the red circle to the left of picture 1? Thanks. -Varda
Thank you for your
Thank you for your compliment, Varda! I hope you don't have a headache after reading a lot of information of yeast water. I am surprised to see that there are so many topics of yeast water now. I have enjoyed to read all of their breads with various yeast waters.
I updated the question you had. Please let me know if you still have any questions.
Happy baking,
Akiko
think I get it
Akiko, Thanks for clarifying. I think first is preparing to score by using a stick to make imprint in correct spot. Then the actual scoring. -Varda
Varda, Yes, you are right,
Varda,
Yes, you are right, and I put more pictures of the process to make sure you can understand easily because this improved me to score the lines neatly.
Best wishes,
Akiko
Great Job!
Wow, Akiko ! What a great baguette you made there, and another excellent and informative posting. LUV it !
Ron
Another big compliments from
Another big compliments from you, Ron. I am so pleased !!! Thank you very much!!
Akiko
WOW, that is a Beauty!
Nicely done, Akiko! Nice long baguette, too!
Sylvia
Thank you for your kind
Thank you for your kind word, Sylvia :) I am very satisfied with your steaming towel method! Thank you so much for posting your steaming method here. http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/20162/oven-steaming-my-new-favorite-way
:) Akiko
Big oven
You must have a decent sized oven to bake this type of baguette Akiko!
Lovely work
Best wishes
Andy
Thank you for your
Thank you for your compliment, Andy. I am very happy to see your comment here. My oven is 12 years old General Electric Double Wall oven. The longest one was about 50cm long. The edge of the baguette almost touched to the oven's door when I put it in. I never had such a big oven when I was in Japan, So I am very pleased with the oven here.
Thank you again, Andy:)
Akiko
Beautiful!
Perfect crumb and crust. And it's so nice to be able to make full length baguettes!
Thank you for your
Thank you for your compliment, Txfarmer! It was difficult to put the long one in the oven, but it worked!
Akiko
Akiko, What a beautiful loaf!
Akiko,
What a beautiful loaf! Nice crust color and the crumb looks great!
I am very impressed again by all the work you put into the post. Your great detailed instructions help so much and the pictures you take of the whole process make it all very easy to follow.
I am also impressed that you got such a wonderful looking loaf using your RYW. I bet it had a nice flavor and will stay fresh a long time - if your family doesn't eat it all up in one sitting :-)
Take Care,
Janet
Thank you for your very kind
Thank you for your very kind word as always, Janet. :)
Yes, This baguette's crust stays crispy and the crumb is moist for a long time. My son loves to bring it to school for his lunch. My family love this baguette, so do my 2 dogs. :)
Thank you, Janet,
Akiko
Beautiful!
Beautiful!
I appreciate for your
I appreciate for your compliment, Floyd.
Sincerely,
Akiko
Great baguette and writeup Akiko!
Hi Akiko,
Your baguette is not good... it's awesome! Very nicely done, and a thoroughly well done writeup on your procedure as well. Any baker would be proud to have made this baguette for it's lovely crumb, shaping, crust, and scoring. I've always shied away from from doing baguette at home simply because I've never liked the size restrictions of domestic ovens for the bread. Baguettes should be longer than what typical home ovens will allow, but obviously this isn't an issue with yours. If you don't mind me asking, what make and model of oven do you have?
Great stuff Akiko!
Best Wishes,
Franko
Hi Franko, Thank you for
Hi Franko,
Thank you for your kind words. I am very pleased with your compliment. I am glad that you like this baguette. I wish I had a picture how I put it in. I think I put the baguette diagonally in the oven simply.
I don't mind at all, my oven is here:
http://www.epinions.com/specs/hmgd-Large_Appliances-All-Ovens-GE_Appliances_White-on-White_30_in_Electric_Combo_Microwave_Self-Clean_Wall_Oven_with_SmartSet_Control_JTP85WDWW
Mine is white but the same model.
Thank you again, Franko
Akiko
Gorgeous baguette, Akiko!
David
Thank you, David!
Thank you, David! Your posts has helped me so much. I appreciate all your work.
Sincerely,
Akiko
Very beautiful
Amazing baguettes, Akiko.
I am sure this post will become a reference for many bakers!
Juergen
Thank you for your kind
Thank you for your kind word, Juergen! Your posts of the test tube baking helped me while I was struggling with this formula and method. I thank you, Juergen!
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/22065/test-tube-baking-1-continued-white-french-bread-overproof
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/22228/test-tube-baking-2-bulk-fermentation-doubling-size
Best wishes,
Akiko
Wow
Gorgeous baguettes, Akiko. They got perfect scoring/slashes.
A very useful and great write up on the scoring too.
I too score breads on the same direction as yours, diagram 1, with the lenght on pararel to myself (I use curve lame and it works better this way).
Sue
http://youcandoitathome.blogspot.com
Thank you, Sue :) I am not
Thank you, Sue :) I am not really good at scoring.. I found the way to practice was huge help. I am glad to know that your are scroing the same direction like I do. :) It is interesting to know how we loose our balance while drawing a straight line.
Best wishes,
Akiko
Akiko
I've gone so far as using food-safe pens to mark (with a dot) the beginning or ending of each score. Works like a charm and really helped my scoring. The other think I did when I first started to bake baguettes was to sacrifice one baguette and score it then form it again, let it rise a bit, and re-score it and re-score it and re-score it until the dough is really "dead". Gave me a lot of confidence.
Pam
Hi Pam, Thank you for your
Hi Pam,
Thank you for your experiments, which is very informative. I appreciate for your generous thoughts, Pam! I will considerate to sacrifice one baguette to have confidence. Using real dough is more effective for sure!
Best wishes,
Akiko
These look truly delicious
These look truly delicious Akiko - so beautifully open and airy!
Thanks for the detailed notes on the baguette making and also for the notes on scoring. They are really helpful and I need all the help I can get in these areas!
Many thanks for sharing this.
With very best wishes, Daisy
:) Thank you Daisy!
Thank you for your generous words as always, Daisy. I like to share my thoughts and the information that I get from Japan which may be interesting for someone here. I have also gotten a lot of help from TFL here, as you help me all the time.
Thank you, too Daisy :)
Akiko
Stunning baguettes, Akiko!
Stunning baguettes, Akiko! So lovely, long and slender. Beautiful crumb, too. Your attention to detail is remarkable.
Best,
Syd
Hi Syd, Thank you for your
Hi Syd,
Thank you for your compliment, Syd! :) I am happy to hear that from you whom I see as a great baker.
Happy baking,
Akiko
a bubbly beauty of a baguette!
Hello Akiko,
Your baguette is amazing! Thank you for your hard work and explanation in your post.
It's a joy to see such a beautiful baguette.
:^) from breadsong
Thank you for your kind words, breadsong!!
Hi breadsong,
In the Japanese baking book, I read that a little bit of yeast and long fermentation at the colder temperature are good to make tasty and airy baguettes. I had been checking the dough and room temperature whenever I move to next step to make sure that I can make the same baguette that I want. It was a successful finally. :) Scoring is different for me.. practice, practice ,practice... that is only one thing to improve from my experiment.
P.S I admire your hand skill, breadsong...
Best wishes,
Akiko
This is one the best Home
This is one the best Home made baguettes i've ever seen, Akiko! Way to go, you rock!!
Thank you, Khalid!!! Your
Thank you, Khalid!!! Your word is a great encouragement!
:)
Akiko
Great formula-great. Bread,
I tried this recipe and followed the instructions to the letter. Wonderful result and so fast and easy. Who knew you had to poke the dough to get the holes! Counter-intuitive but it works! Thanks!
Pamela
Your very welcome!
Hi Pamela,
I am so happy that you had a wonderful result! Thank you for telling me!! You made my day! Yes, it is little work but it is worth it, I guess. :)
Happy baking,
Akiko
Best ever shaping/baking advice, plus one tip
I like a little more grain flavor in my baguettes so I used TxFarmer's formula for the 36+hr baguette with a 100% SD rye starter, but with your shaping and baking method with one twist - I sprayed the razor blade with oil first before slashing. Here's the result:
photos here
-Pamela
Great bake, and thank you Pamela!
Pamela,
Very nice crust and nice round baguettes! Sprayed a razor with oil is a good one! I use it sometimes. :) I am glad that the shaping and baking method worked out for you, Pamela! Thank you for telling us your result! This baguette is the one that we are all fond of, so do my neighbors. My son and husband and I like rye sour though. My daugther loves this baguette. It is a good thing to try various kind of recipes to find your favor baguettes, isnt it? :)
Happy baking,
Akiko
Akiko
I keep going back to this wonderful picture. It makes my mouth water. I really need to try your recipe.
Pam
Thank you so much, Pam! I
Thank you so much, Pam! I want to know how it turns our when you try it. :)
Happy baking,
Akiko
What is the baguette baked on?
Kudos, Teketeke. Very impressive looking baguette! I may have missed something in this baguette recipe and others posted on TFL, but I'm trying to understand what type of pan or stone is needed for the baguette to go into the oven with. I started off today thinking I really needed to obtain a baguette mold (assuming these were used in French bakeries) but after reading some posts here have decided maybe I don't need one. But everyone is talking about putting their baguettes into their ovens but not really saying what the dough is resting on. I do use a large flat round pizza stone to make round loaves, but I notice they can tend to flatten out. My worry is that even shaping a torpedo like baguette shape from the dough on a stone will end up "running" off to the sides and give me a fairly flattish long loaf instead of the nice vertically rounded loaf pictured above. Any input/thoughts appreciated, thank you.
Hello Markstav,Thank you for
Hello Markstav,
Thank you for your kind word :)
I am sorry for this late respond..
I am the one who also look for a good baking stone.I think a New York baker baking stone and kiln shelf are good. And, for making steam in the oven, I always use Sylvia’s steaming method. You can see how she bakes bread, too. :)
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/20162/oven-steaming-my-new-favorite-way
When I bake a baguette, I put the baking stone on the top and the steaming towels on the bottom. I used quarry tiles and it broke in pieces in 2 weeks, and I useceramic tiles and found out that a kiln shelf is safer.
It is difficult to find a good size kiln shelf to put in my oven.
The maximum size of my oven for the baking stone will be 23x15 ¾ inches or 59 x 40 cm but I will look for less than that. How big is your oven?
New York baker stone: http://www.nybakers.com/equip.html
I hope that helps you,
Akiko
What is the baguette baked on?
Hello Akiko. Okay, so one of the secrets is a good stone! Thank you for the link about the NYBakers stone. It turns out their large one would just fit on my lower rack. (Jenn-Air Expressions double-oven electric convection; 20 x 17 inches) Then I see where some folks go with Fibrament, so I'll call to see what how that pricing compares. My pizza stone is only 13 inches in diameter, so not so good for a full fledged baguette.
Thank you, Mark
Hello Mark,Thank you for the
Hello Mark,
Thank you for the information of Fibrament! I read some reviews including Susan's: http://www.wildyeastblog.com/2009/03/04/everybody-must-get-a-stone/ It is a very good one!
Fibrament : rectangular ( 3/4 thick-1.905cm) 15x20 $ 70 +? shipping...Did you call ?
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NYB rectangular ( 5/8 thick- 1.5875cm) 20x16 $52.95+ $14( shipping)=$ 66.95
Fibrament baking stone size will fit onto my oven better than NYB's. If I can't find a good size of kiln shelf, I will buy Fibrament's.
P.S I slip the baguette that the bottom is coated with mixed of 50% rice flour / KA AP flour mixture on the baking stone directly. Some people use semolina flour or corn meal and so on for it. Sometimes, I slide the baguette that is over the parchment paper on the baking stone.
I really appreciate your infomation, Thank you!
Akiko
Custom Fibrament sizing
Hi Akiko,
Yes, I spoke with one of the Fibrament salesmen (there is a number listed on their site) and he pointed out that when using their order page you can include a comment about your specific size requirement, that is, you can request dimensions that would be slightly smaller than their stock sizes and they'll do the cutting to size for $10.00. It was nice to hear that shipping is free. He said that it is important to have about one inch space between the stone and the sides, back, and door of the oven for air to move freely. So my 20 x 17 oven would get a custom stone of 18 x 15. I might come up with some fractions if I really look at how far the rack edges are off the sides & back. The back edge of my racks have a stop bar that is already some distance from the back wall so I could use that space as part of the needed inch on the back. I'm still undecided about going the NYBakers route or Fibrament, but knowing more about the sizing is helpful.
I have usually used corn meal on our pizza stone, but I'll going to try some of your other suggestions as well. Hope your baking is going well!
Mark
Hi Mark,Thank you so much
Hi Mark,
Thank you so much for taking the time to tell us of the fact that is very useful to get know about the shipping is free, and the size of the baking stone should be 2 inches down sized both sides. My baking stone will be 21x 13 3/4 instead of my oven size 23x15 3/4. I am still looking of a good size kiln shelf which is much cheaper than them. It is good to try before buying the Fibrament baking stone. NYBakers stone has very good reviews as well. I think you will be pleased with either one.
50% rice flour / 50% KA AP works well, too. I baked a baguette today. I used ice cold water, I also put the dough in the frigerator ( 9-10℃/48.2-50F) that I kept the dough in the bag to adjust to the temperature instead of 6℃/42.8F that is my normal refrigerator temperature)
In summer,
My baking is going well, Thank you Mark! I hope your baking is going well, too! My son's friends asked me to bake these baguettes ( they really like the baguettes), I am willing to make more baguettes for them.:)
Happy baking,
Akiko
raisin yeast water
Hello,
I have recently come across this post and am super impressed by the appearance of these baguettes!! The crumb looks very much like that of the baguettes I get from the local baker.
I am wondering though, do you attribute this open crumb to the raisin yeast water you use in the recipe? I really want to try this because I have been striving for baguettes with this kind of crumb and have had very little success. I am usually told that kind of airy crumb is because of other things (i.e. "steam" while baking, long ferments of the levain, etc, etc) but this is the first I've ever heard of this raisin yeast water method.
Where can I find the link to the recipe to make the raisin yeast water?
Thanks,
Tory
Hi Tory, I am sorry that I
Hi Tory,
I am sorry that I didn't respond quickly, Tory.
I agree with the sentence that you wrote above.
Here is the method to make raisin yeast water:
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/23809/how-i-make-and-maintain-raisin-yeast-water
And, I think you will be able to get airy crumb using yeast water easily more than you use dry yeast water. And, I think that is very important to handle the dough with a gentle touch while shaping. I also care about the dough's temperature before shaping. The dough should be cold around 52F for 8 hours at least, and until the dough rose doubled ( 1.5 times in bulk is fine too), that is for making good crispy crust, as well as good flavor.
Here is my baguette diary that I started recently. Prefemented baguettes are good too.
https://www.evernote.com/Home.action#n=e1e6163d-f1ba-4946-a36e-8fae2b28af4b
I hope your baking is going well!
Akiko
Wonderful
Akiko-さん、
どうもありがとうございます。Its ok about your reply, I appreciate that you did respond. ;)
This info is very useful. Thanks very much. I really look forward to making this raisin yeast water. I'm also curious, how long will the raisin yeast water keep in the fridge?
Anyway, thanks again.
Tory
Thank you for your kind word, Tory!
Hi Tory,
Toryさん どういたしまして。
I will be interested in your raisin yeast water and the baguette with raisin yeast water too when you try.
I keep my raisin yeast water for 12 hours around ( overnight) after I fully ferment it. The resting time is the key to have strong yeast water from my experiments.
By the way, I gave you a wrong link about my baguette diary. The right one is here:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s46/sh/e1e6163d-f1ba-4946-a36e-8fae2b28af4b/bf7e0c2893153da600ff069570441ec0
Best wishes,
Akiko
flour
Akiko-san,
I noticed you mentioned using KA AP Flour (King Arthur). I am wondering if you have ever used any other flour, perhaps KA French style, European Style or Italian flours. Or maybe NY Bakers Artisan flour or Giusto's Artisan flour? If you could let me know, I'd appreciate hearing your experiences. Thanks.
Tory
Tory-san I haven't tried
Tory-san
I haven't tried them that you mentioned above. I only use King Arthur brand for making bread right now. If you try some of them, I 'd like to hear the differences of the taste and the crust and crumb's color and so on. I used Arrowhead flour to make a baguette, it turned out tasteless and pale. It doesn't contain malt powder in the flour, which I found it later.
:)
Akiko
after thoughts
Akiko-san,
Hi. Ok, I tried my first baguettes using raisin yeast water. They turned out "ok", the crumb was much more open and airy than I've ever gotten it, but it still wasn't as airy as I had hoped for.
However, when I made the raisin yeast water, I think I may have had too much water and not enough raisins for it to be as "potent" as it needed to be. So I am assuming from this that it is somewhat important to have a proper ratio of water/raisins for it to have enough yeast to develop an airy crumb. Does this sound reasonable?
Oh yeah, one other thought. After making my dough with this raisin yeast water, it didn't seem to rise very much. Even after a couple hours of sitting in a warm room it just didn't rise. It wasn't until I shaped the dough into baguettes did they puff up much. I've had dough rise more using just instant yeast. So I am wondering if that lack of rising is normal when using raisin yeast water?
If you could let me know what you think, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Tory
i've jus bookmarked to read
i've jus bookmarked to read through this later, but jus wanted to quickly say, thank you, you are very generous for sharing. i like the playdough tip, lol, must use that one :)
Hi rolls, You're very
Hi rolls,
You're very welcome, and I appreciate for your kind words! That is good to hear that you like the playdough, too! LOL Practicing is the best way to learn everything, I think. :)
Happy baking,
Akiko
Nice bread Akiko
I think I will do the YW Baggies next. I really need to practice my slash and there are more on Baggies than anywhere else :-) I don't think I am ready for it, despite your fine write up and directions.
パン一撃はそれ自体までの芸術です。
Thank you for your
Thank you for your compliment, dabrownman!
When I started making baguettes, these were like Sub's loaves that have 3 wrinkles on it, even though I attempted to make nice looking baguettes. :) Practice makes perfect, right?
パンを作るのも芸術のひとつですよね。
Akiko
I'm going to
need a lot of pratice!!
素晴らしい葉で賢明になで切りにすることはパンによい。
Finally got the courage
to make YW Baggies. Used your method for slashing and it turned out to be the best slashing I have managed to date. Not great like yours though. Made the baggies with 20% rye and WW and retarded them for 22 hours with a final proof of 4 hours - should have been 8 hours though. No holes like yours either due to the whole grains and short final proof - but they tasted great. Had them for breakfast today. Delicious with no sour taste. Have uses YW for 4 out of my last 5 bakes. Am now using YW in conjuction with SD in the same breads. Done this twice now. Very nice. Will go for holes next time I make baggies - need to practice slashing :-) Thanks again.
Best to you and yours - hope all is well.
Hi dabrownman, Thank you for
Hi dabrownman,
Thank you for telling me your result! It sounds like you are already improving so fast on your baguette!! Adding some whole grain tends to have more denser crumb not open crumb, but I am sure that the taste will be great like you described. I am so glad that your slasing came out good!!
I better practice on baguette again! I have not made it for a while...
I hope you will have a baguette that you are looking for very soon!!
Best to you and yours too!!! We are fine!! :) Akiko