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How is my spelt starter doing?

Heikjo's picture
Heikjo

How is my spelt starter doing?

Hello.

Edit: The video failed after a while. I updated the video with the starter after going from 200% hydration feeding to 100%.

This is my first attempt at a starter and I'd like some feedback on the current status and where to go from here. I am using this recipe and started Monday, March 14, so I'm on day 12. I've followed the recipe as it is on the link. I also added a bit of apple cider vinegar about 5-6 days ago.

I'm using organic wholemeal spelt flour since I have a case of IBS and want to avoid ordinary wheat as much as possible. I've been feeding it twice a day since around day 6. Mostly it's been at room temperature around 20-24 C (68-75 F), but some days lower. I've also had to travel a bit with it some of the days. According to the recipe, it should be ready around day 14, but various factors can of course make it require more time. I don't remove the hooch before each feeding, just stir it in.

This time-lapse starts right after an evening feeding with 1/4 cup of the starter, 1/4 cup of water and 1/4 cup of flour. I forgot to add a clock, but it falls down around 2 1/2-3 hours after the feeding. The time-lapse goes from about 12:30 AM to 10 AM.

Sourdough spelt starter at 200% and 100% hydration










Any help or thoughts are appreciated. :)

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

Poor thing is too thin  Thicken it up with more flour and all is well.  You should be baking with this baby by now!

Give it a go!

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drogon

I make a lot of spelt loaves - mostly with about 70% white and 30% wholegrain though - my (100% hydration) spelt starter is quite active and lives in the fridge until I need it (3 times a week right now) I use 30% spelt starter to flour weight and keep the overall hydration to about 60% (plus a bit if honey - about 15g per small loaf) It will over prove quite rapidly, so do keep an eye on it.

-Gordon

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Heikjo

Thank you for the feedback!

I had no idea the ratio was relative to weight, which makes the recipe I used seem a bit strange, since it never mentions weight. A cup is a measurement og volume, not mass. I thought it was too hydrated, but followed the instructions, so I thought it was fine.

Anyways, I've fed the starter as follows the last two times: 60g starter, 60g water, 60g flour. This morning it had risen more than double in size before it fell and looks good.

I saw your blog entry on the loaf, drogon, and thinking about trying it out.

Going forward, my plan is to store the starter in the refrigerator and feed it once a week or more, depending on how much I use. It will mostly be two of us eating the loaves, so I won't need a huge starter. Do I seal the lid completely when storing the starter in the fridge, or just loosely as I did during the development of it?

Should I keep it at these ratios (1:1:1:, 60g of each) and keep it at 100%? That gives a total of 180g starter at all times. I read from drogon's blog entry that I can use some starter and add some flour/water for some hours when making a loaf. So if I were to make that loaf, I could take 120g starter and feed it back up to 180g with 60+60+60. Either reducing the entire recipe or add 30g water/flour and let it work for a while.

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Heikjo

Thank you for the recipe, A BakEr. Very useful with the video since it shows the stretching and folding technique.

I do have one question regarding the amount of starter.

In that recipe and another I've found, both use 1/4 cup of starter to 530g flour, which amounts to 11% starter to flour weight. Drogon's recipe uses 150g, which is 30% starter to flour weight.

Do the loaves vary so much in the rest of the recipe and making that drogon's need 3 times the amount of starter or is it because the starters are different? I know each is different and I'll probably try different amounts when making my loaves, I just wondered if there was some importance to the difference I should know.

I'll prepare a dough this evening and try making it tomorrow morning.

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Heikjo

I made the one in drogon's blog.

After feeding the starter with [1:1:1] 2-3 times, I took out 105 g starter and added 60g flour/water to the remaining 60g starter. I made a new time-lapse of the starter and put it side-by-side with the previous video. The second starter isn't quite 100% hydrated yet, but it's moving in the right direction. Here's the video, which I also put in the first post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4PJPqNwU7I

I started this a bit late, so instead of adding a bit flour/water to the starter to get 150 g, I just adjusted the entire recipe to the starter amount. Which meant reducing it to 70%:

70 g wholemeal spelt
280 g white spelt
106 g spelt starter
200 g water
6 g salt

I forgot to add honey (I would've used sugar or maple syrup since it's low on fodmap) since it wasn't in the blog recipe.

This is after mixing everything:

It was maybe a bit more wet than drogon's based on the pictures. Maybe because my starter is still a bit high on hydration. I had no trouble working with it though and it didn't stick enough to leave dough trails everywhere.

It's 0-6 ºC outside and 25 ºC inside, so covered it with plastic wrap and let the bowl sit on my girlfriends night table next to the open window. My thermometer said it was about 16-18 ºC in this area. Found my dough the next day like this:


After letting it warm up, stretching and folding a bit it was ready for the proofing:


One and a half hour later I dumped it upside down onto the teflon sheet, slashed it three times and used a peeler to put it into the preheated oven:

At this point I was a bit worried that it wouldn't rise much during baking. I've made some spelt breads before using yeast, and my experience is that the bread does not rise very much during baking. It will not differ much from the size and shape it was when I put it in.

But the worries were not needed. The bread quickly rose up and looked quite yummy. I stuck my thermometer in it and set it to alert me when it had reached 95 ºC. I removed the teflon after 12 minutes at 250 ºC and lowered til 210.

Quite pleased with the final result. Best bread I've ever made, that's for sure. My girlfriend loved it and ate it with nothing but butter on the slices. We let it sit and cool down a bit, but cut it open while it still had some heat in it, allowing the butter to melt.

As a first attempt, I'm very happy with this bread. I look forward to experimenting more with recipes and methods. My starter seems to be doing good.

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drogon

My blog post was really aimed at wheat flour rather than spelt, but it seems to have worked OK for you. Make more!

I find a bit of honey just lifts the flavour a little - not too much though. It's also a fairly common loaf over here to, so when in Rome ...

Cheers,

-Gordon

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kenlklaser

I have the same problem when making bread, I always want a warm slice.