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How long to mature a starter?

Carbs and Caffeine's picture
Carbs and Caffeine

How long to mature a starter?

What is a dead giveaway that my starter is ready to make leaven? Any reasonable time markers to use or is it just waiting for a predictable pattern after feeding?

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PetraR

Once it has peeked after feeding and is just about to drop again, that would be the time.

Rule of thumbs is 12 hours.

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Carbs and Caffeine

So I don't need to wait several days? 

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Laurentius

When starting from scratch, yes! Hamelman, recommends at lease 6 days, other a week or more depending on whether you add agents such as honey, juices or fruits of vegetable skins. Just because the yeast is active doesn`t means its mature enough to leaven bread. One indicator is a beautiful loaf, which is a hollow dome with a brick at the bottom. 

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Carbs and Caffeine

Thank you, Laurentius. I began my culture on 12/26 and am hoping to do my first loaves tomorrow or Friday.

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drogon

Just give it a go - pick a recipe and see what happens. You can test it by tasting it (mildly sour but not too acidic), smell it - smells faintly vinegary, but not like old socks and not like acetone [pear drops] either, and take a tablespoon of it and see if it floats (ie. full of gas bubbles)

Then just give it a go. The worst that can happen is that you waste a bit of flour, time and energy - if it fails, keep feeding it for another few days and try again.

Good luck with your new pet!

 

-Gordon

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timbit1985

Give it a go. The worst that happens is you end up with a brick of baked dough. You could try kick starting your levain by allowing it to ferment in your oven with the pilot or viewing light on. I always do my preferment at a balmy 93F. It gets everything going really quickly, and I always have lovely oven spring. Mind you, I bulk for 4 hours at room temp, then retard for 12-24 hours before baking, which really helps with flavor development.

Something I've noticed, is that if you build your starter bulk up in a couple of steps, it really helps make active, happy yeasts. Try mixing 5g starter, with 10g flour, 10 g water. Wait 4 hours. Add 20g flour/20 g Water. Wait 4 hours, add 40g/40g.  If your starter doesn't double after the second feeding, take half out, and give it another 20g/20g. This method almost guarentee's a very vigorous starter. When I do this, my doughs always double in bulk during my 12-24 hour retard overnight.  

Nothing wrong with cheating on your loaf a bit, and adding a pinch of commercial yeast as a fail safe, either. I know i've done this before when I was first getting my starter up and running.  

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Carbs and Caffeine

Thanks all.

I'm feeling good about my starter. Lots of bubbling, slightly funky taste and smell. Followed the Tartine book and took a tablespoon and mixed it with the prescribed amount of water and flour. Leaven on the way ( I hope). Hopefully tomorrow evening I'll have some bread to show off.

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Carbs and Caffeine

Leaven isn't looking too happening. Almost no rise that I can see. Smells slightly fruity. Sinks like a brick in water. Perhaps I'll let it warm a bit and try anyway. 

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timbit1985

You might just be trying to rush it too much. Sourdough is slow food. If your starter isn't doubling in 4-8 hours, it's not ready to bake with. Keep feeding it and letting it mature, it'll be worth it! 

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Carbs and Caffeine

You're correct, timbit. My dough was loose and came out dense at the bottom of the loaf. Crust was good and it opened somewhat, but not what I was shooting for. I'll give it a few more days and try again.

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Carbs and Caffeine

Starter is definitely starting to come around. I'm getting about 30-40% growth overnight after feeding. I'll be patient and wait a few more days.

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Carbs and Caffeine

So, my starter is now gaining about 60% after 18 hours. Took some off for todays feeding and it floats! Hope to get back in the game this weekend.

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Carbs and Caffeine

Ummm, I meant 110%. Lack of sleep is hurting my math skills today. 

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Carbs and Caffeine

Ok,

Round two in the works. Leaven floats and I'm bulk fermenting tonight. Hope to make a better effort tomorrow. 

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Carbs and Caffeine

Todays bread. Left loaf was per Tartine directions. Right loaf was 25 minutes in DO at 500' 25 minutes uncovered at 500. I bulk fermented overnight in the fridge for about 11 hours. Proofed for 4 hours at room temp Until the dough passed the finger spring test. Hoping for better oven spring next time. 

 

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Carbs and Caffeine

Here's the crumb. Dense at the bottom and big openings at the top. also quite moist. I'd love some critique/suggestions. 

 

 

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Carbs and Caffeine

Anyone? Seriously I'd like some ideas as to where I'm going off the path.