Questions on Seeded Sourdough

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I'm going to try to make a seeded whole wheat sourdough and could use some help

- 20% whole wheat flour, 80% Bread Flour (12%)
- 20% Levain
~70% hydration

I have the following seeds/grains handy:
- cut Oats
- rolled oats
- white quinoa
- pumpkin seeds
- sunflower seeds
- white sesame seeds

1) i know i am suppose to cook the quinoa and the cut oats before hand - do i cook these 100% through or do i just par-cook it most of the way?

2) for the other seeds, do i soak them or toast them?  i plan to add them in during bulk fermentation after 2nd stretch and fold

3) i want to roll the shaped dough in some pumpkin seeds and/or rolled oats.  do i soak those to make sure they dont burn or will they be ok just dry?

4) even though i have sesame seeds, i'm not sure the flavor profile fits with the rest. i think i'll leave them out

5) any comment on cut vs rolled oats? i think they texture of the cut would be great but i'm not sure how much i need to cook those up front. i'm thinking the rolled oats will just melt into the dough or give a weird texture. but will look great on the crust

6) do i need to adjust hydration for this type of loaf?

Sorry it's a long list of questions. i did do some research online and not seeing much specifics or seeing different suggestions (like soaking vs roasting seeds). Any suggestions or comments on any of these greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

James

 

I do have his book!  just looked it up. Hamelman (love that guy, been watching all the Isolation baking videos on youtube) didnt answer all my questions, but definitely helpful. thanks.   I guess i'll just have to give it a go and report back.  Isn't it more fun that way, anways?

  1. I do an overnight hot soak (Boiling water) for all seeds. Both toasted seeds and non-toasted seeds work for me.
  2. see 1
  3. I apply them dry. Roll the dough on a wet towel and then place seeds on that towel and roll again.
  4. Love, love sesame seeds
  5. I use rolled, not experience with cut oats
  6. I use Hamelman’s recommendation. He knows what he is talking about.

Thanks Dan.  helps me out a lot here. i have the seeds all soaking,liquid levain levaining, only thing i dont have is high gluten bread flour.  my 12% will have to do with a few more folds. since the seeds / grains i'm using is different than Hamelman's i'm just trying to keep to the 120% hydration for the soaker and will adjust as needed if possible at mix time.

Will report back.

-James

James, when Jeffrey refers to Bread Flour he is using King Arthur All Purpose (11.7% protein). According to the BBGA that protein content is considered BF.

The bread handling characteristics of this bread is unique. Very much unlike other familiar doughs. Follow his instructions closely, even when things don’t feel right. It goes against my practice but I add the soaker to the initial mix exactly as he states.

Good Luck. Get ready to be amazed...

Note - if you have flaxseeds, use them. They make a gell that produces lacy crumb. If not, get some for future bakes.

Three folds in and no window pane yet. I might be off on my hydration. Jeffrey calls for strong bread flour in this one. Mine is only 12%. I’ll do another fold and see how it goes. Dough feels very wet right now. Not quite smooth yet. 

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I corresponded with Jeff and he recently told me he uses KA AP.

The lack of windowpane is normal. The ~34% seeds makes for a very jagged dough. It is known to be sticky. If you read the post on the Community Bake you will see that many had similar experiences.

Your dough looks correct to me.

Good Luck!
Get ready for knockout flavor...

Dan

Three folds in and no window pane yet. I might be off on my hydration. Jeffrey calls for strong bread flour in this one. Mine is only 12%. I’ll do another fold and see how it goes. Dough feels very wet right now. Not quite smooth yet. 

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Hydration was just too high. And not enough gluten development to support the seeds.  over proofed too. I refrigerated it due to timing.l for a few hours. Also hope that it would hold its shape more from the cold. Problem getting them out of the baskets. Just completely flattened out. No bounce. Couldn’t hold the scoring and barely rose in the oven. It’s still in there baking. Well two of the three loaves are because  they flattened out so much I couldn’t fit three in the oven. 

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crumb is soft and decent eating. But seems a bit salty overall. Next time, I’ll reduce hydration reduce salt. Not use rolled oats as they pretty much dissolved into the dough for me. And get some flax seed.