Submitted by Susan on April 17, 2008 - 8:28pm

Well, I finally did it!


Today I baked the sourdough bread I've been looking for ever since starting this odyssey. It has a crispy crust and a stretchy, holey crumb. And it's easy. As I told a couple of friends earlier, "...it's reproducible, if the weather stays exactly how it is today."

I'm not suggesting that this could be anyone else's ultimate sourdough, but it sure is mine, at least for right now. Thanks to all who have helped me over the past year or so, even unwittingly. It continues to be great fun. The recipe is below.

My Ultimate Sourdough

Susan's Ultimate Sourdough

Starter is made the way Peter Reinhart suggested to us in class: 1:3:4 (starter:water:flour)

A single small boule, made by hand:

12g starter

175g water

25g whole wheat flour

225g hi-gluten flour (All Trumps, to be exact)

5g salt (I use Kosher)

Mix starter and water, mix in flour. Rest a few minutes, then re-mix. Dump into a greased bowl, let rise until doubled, about 8 hours. Turn the very soft dough onto your counter and pat it out, then sprinkle salt over the top. Roll it up, then gently knead a few times to distribute the salt. Let relax. Do the following until the dough is hard to fold: round up, let the dough relax, stretch and fold. Round up, let relax, shape, and put it in a banneton for proofing 3-4 hours in a warm spot.

The oven was preheated for 30 minutes at 500F, and reduced to 450F after I put the loaf in. It was baked on a tray, covered, for 18 minutes. The cover was then removed and the loaf baked until dark brown, about another 8 minutes.

Susan's ultimate sourdough

Beautiful loaf, Susan! But how could you? I was just getting the hang of your other sourdough and now you tempt me with this beauty. The recipe is already in my trusty notebook and I have a question. What do you mean by the starter being made the way Peter R suggested? Did you make a different one from your usual? Will it work in wet and cold WA? (Just kidding on the last one) Thanks for sharing, again, A.

Just Beautiful!

That is a beautiful looking loaf.  I can see why you'd be happy with it!  I'm new to sourdough, so I hope you don't mind a question- you don't mention steam or spraying, etc.  Does covering the loaf replace that?  Does it keep it moist longer too?  What do you cover it with? Whoops- three questions! 

Marni

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Can't wait to try this!

I have been looking for an uncomplicated sourdough recipe and this looks pretty darn easy! I know what my baking project for the week-end is going to be. My starter (Jim 3 named after a contributor here who has since moved on...) has been out of the fridge and warming and getting fed the past two days - I'll report back with my result. I also am interested in hearing about Reinhart's starter method - I've got the book but I'm looking forward to your interpretation...

 Trish

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That looks so good. I love

That looks so good. I love the crust color. Congratulations on your find.

well done

Beautiful crumb and a gorgeous crust with an attractive grigne.  I look forward to when I can finally produce loaves anywhere near this level of quality.

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Answers and Thanks

Thanks for enjoying this loaf with me. I've made it a few times, so it really is reproducible.

Annie and Trish, As our little TFL group left Peter Reinhart's class not long ago, he called out to refresh our starter using a 1:3:4 ratio. I went home and adopted that ratio, and it's been working well for me. I refresh using 15g:45g:60 or 30:90:120 depending on how much I want to keep around. btw, I've been refreshing my starter about once a week, and immediately put it in back in the fridge (Thanks, Mike A.). I can use it the next day, and for the next 5 days (so far) to start dough, without any further refreshment.

Marni, covering the loaf for about half the baking time is a standard for me. Either put the loaf in a preheated Dutch Oven or roaster, or on a hot stone or cookie sheet with some type of covering, even just a stainless steel bowl, and it will make a tremendous difference in oven spring. Give it a try. You won't need to put water in the oven or spray. I make small loaves for the two of us and we eat 'em right up, so there's no waste. I've also found that sourdough bread lasts longer than yeast-risen bread.

Annie, it had better work in WA, or I'll be terribly embarrassed!

Jpfridy, you can do it, just make the same loaf over and over again until it's like you want, making small changes. Don't switch from recipe to recipe, hoping to find one that will work for you. It's not the recipe so much as technique.

May your bread rise,

Susan from San Diego

new ratio

Susan, thank you for your speedy answer. I have been using your 1/4c:1/2c:1/2c and it doubles quickly. Next time I need to refresh I'll try the new regime - even if the math scares me! A.

starter question

Hi Susan - from sunny but still darned chilly WA! Well, I made a batch of the starter using exactly the weights you recommended and placed it in the refrigerator immediately. I took it out to make the old faithful sourdough loaf and I had to wrassle it out of the jar. It had the texture of very stretchy rubber and I ended up breaking it into the water with my fingers because my whisk couldn't cope. Have I done something dreadfully wrong? I did notice that it had risen in the refrigerator. I added extra water when the dough seemed too dry - I suppose that was because of the starter being so thick? Oh dear, something else to mither about! Hope you can help, A.

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Hello, Annie

Rubbery sounds about right. And fingers work fine, although I usually use my kitchen shears and snip it into little bits while it's sitting in the water, then beat the aitch out of it with my chopstick. I've been using the recipe above lately, which only uses 12g starter. If you're using a recipe that calls for more starter, then you might have to add more water, which you did. How could you go dreadfully wrong? You know more than you think you do! Forget about time and do what the starter or dough is ready to do. If your starter looks like it needs a little time on the counter, leave it out. If it needs to be refrigerated to keep it from getting depleted, put it in the fridge. Nothing is cast in stone, as we're all working with our local temperature and humidity. Let me know how your bread turns out.

Susan from San Diego

Preheating SS bowl?

Susan, I've had a question about your Magic Bowl method and now seems to be the time to ask it.

In using either the Pyrex or the stainless steel bowl, do you preheat it in the oven before using it to cover the bread, rinse it out with hot water but have it otherwise cold, or just put it over the bread cold after you put the bread in?

I preheated it the first time I used it, and got wonderful oven spring. The second time I did not preheat it and the boule just sat there, but it was a different dough recipe, so I don't know whether to change the recipe or the bowl temperature.

Thanks for any help forthcoming.

Mary

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Taste

I quickly scanned the other comments. I have a question. Is it very sour? Or quite neutral in taste? It's beautiful!

Perfect

You made a beautiful loaf that I'm going to try today. That's just what I like my bread to look like and sometimes I get it and sometimes not but your recipe looks so easy I'm going to give it a try. I've been making Nury's Rye and my own rye in the Le Creuset and I'm very happy with both but this looks too good to pass up. Great job Susan.                                                                                                                           weavershouse

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Brilliant, Susan! It looks

Brilliant, Susan! It looks fabulous. 

About what temperature is your "warm" spot for proofing?

-Elizabeth

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More Answers and Thanks

Mary, I've done both, and I really can't tell any difference. When I use a Pyrex bowl, I usually heat some water in it in the microwave, but mainly just to heat the bowl before it goes in the oven, for safety's sake. Don't know if it actually is safer, but that's what I do. I pour the hot water in the sink before the bowl goes in the oven. Make sure you put a kitchen towel over the glass in your oven door in case you drip water; don't want any broken oven windows! Using a stainless steel bowl is easier, it won't break and it's so thin that pre-heating couldn't possibly matter, imho. I don't rinse a stainless bowl. And please don't burn yourself!

Elizabeth, I put a cup of boiling water in my microwave along with the dough to proof it. Seems like it's about 83-85F. I usually change the water out once, when it gets cold.

Jane, I see where you're coming from! That's a question I find very hard to answer. I made a loaf of commercial-yeast bread the other day and found it bland compared with my naturally leavened bread. And day-old sourdough bread is much more sour than fresh sourdough bread. This bread is not neutral, nor is it like SF sourdough, it's somewhere in between. Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer. People taste sour differently, too, so it's hard to know what others consider sour.

Weavershouse, you've been a big help to me, whether you know it or not; thanks for the compliment.

Another thing, I've been very free about putting the dough in the fridge when I had to, or overnight.

Thanks again, everybody! I hope I've answered all your questions. If not, just ask. Good luck.

Susan from San Diego

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What a good idea to put a

What a good idea to put a cup of boiling water into the microwave to warm it up! I have always used the oven with the light turned on but I don't think it's quite as warm, especially in the winter. But it always feels like a bit of a waste of energy to have the light on for such a long time.

We don't have a microwave oven, but we do have a toaster oven. Maybe this is the way to go.  

-Elizabeth

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Beautiful and easy!

Hi, Susan.What a beautiful loaf!It's hard to believe how easy it sounds to make compared to many sourdough breads. I'm going to give it a try!Thanks!
David

Preheating SS bowl

Thanks for the answer, Susan. I think I will preheat, and switch to the metal bowl, although I do love the chance to watch it rise under the glass bowl.

And yes, we will be careful. We figure it's a four-handed job, which I think makes it a lot safer, as long as we don't get in each other's way.

Mary

That's a beauty...

and I'm going to try this also! I tried the bowl method before and had a problem because the SS bowl I have is really big and I ended up hitting my loaf with it when I took the bowl off. This time..I'll pull the rack out to lift the bowl off. Thanks for sharing!

Sorry I'm late to the party ...

... but that's a great looking loaf. Congrats Susan! And how lucky to have a class with PR. Wow.

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Tried the recipe and...it's great!

Susan:

 I wanted you to know I quadrupled this recipe last week-end. I was going to have a house full since my kids and two grandkids (2 & 3) bought a house three blocks away from us (lucky me!!) and Sunday was moving day with a crew of all their buddies helping them move. My contribution was to watch the babies and feed everyone supper after the big move. I didn't get started on this quick enough on Saturday so after its 8 hour rise I had to retard it in the fridge overnight. I got it out Sunday morning, let it warm up a bit and then formed my four small loaves. They rose for four to five hours and then I scored and popped them, two at a time onto my hot stone and covered with a huge aluminum bowl I have. The fragrance while baking was amazing. Long story short, it's Tuesday morning and I have no loaves left! My daughter in law said the four loaves laying on the cooling rack looked like a picture in a cookbook. The little ones were walking around after supper with small slices of bread with a dab of butter munching away. (No better compliment than that, right?). Sorry, no pictures this time  - we were too busy and it disapeared too fast. Thanks for another great recipe!!

 Trish

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Remarkable Susan!

Susan you have once again set a high standard using simplicity. This is a very nice recipe, easy to follow with super results. I love that you make small boules. The breads are always fresh and it's just enough for a dinner meal. Thanks for another great post!

Eric 

I made it too

I doubled the recipe and we already ate them both. It was double delicious! Thanks again Susan. weavershouse

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Thanks, Everybody

Thanks, David. You do beautiful breadwork! And I love your interaction with bwraith. Hope he's having fun on his trip.

Paddyscake, I'm always doing something like that. Just the other day I dumped a loaf right on the open oven door--splat! It was a pancake, of course, but the birds loved it.

JMonkey, I thoroughly enjoyed Peter's class. He really, really wanted us to have fun and be successful breadmakers.

Trish, so glad you had a good time with it. You are a lucky girl to have your grandchildren close by. They'll be helping you make bread before long.

Ah, Eric, didn't you know? Simplicity is my middle name. Thanks for your kind words.

And Weavershouse, your feedback is very much appreciated.

Also, if Jane's around, I did notice that my dough was very 'fragrant' coming out of the refrigerator this morning. Very earthy and sour-smelling. This loaf is 40% spelt. Now, if I can just keep from dropping it before it's baked.

Best to all, and thanks again.

Susan from San Diego

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40% Spelt Loaf Results

I'm happy to report that I didn't drop the 40% spelt loaf on the oven door, although I did slice it a bit warm, as you can probably tell. Spelt makes for a much softer crumb. Personally, I'm a chewy-crumb girl, but it's a very nice loaf. Used the same method as at the top of this page, but with the following formula:

12g starter

162g water

150g hi-gluten flour

100g whole spelt flour

5g salt

Spelt CrustSpelt Crumb

Susan from San Diego

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Very Nice Susan!

Looks perfect Susan! Is spelt known by another name? It seems I recall there is an AKA that I have in stores here in flyover country. We don't have spelt on the major supermarkets.

Eric

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Not that I know of, Eric.

The spelt I used is Arrowhead Mills' Organic Whole Spelt flour. I bought it at a local "healthy food" store.

Thanks!

Susan from San Diego

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