Help shaping Bagels
Long time lurker first time poster. I've been really getting into baking bread the last 9 months and have been experimenting with some bagels and other breads the last few weeks.
Been getting really good taste and chewy textures but am just struggling a bit getting a nice smooth round shape. I've tried rolling out the dough and re-joining it in a circle shape but they generally aren't a consistent size the whole way round. I have also tried rolling it into a ball and punching a hole through the middle however when I let it do a short 2nd proof the holes partially close over.
The other issue I have is the bagels deflating and losing their shape when transferring them to the boiling water after the second proof.
Any advice would be appreciate
Thanks in advance.