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BBD #83 - 50% Whole 10 Grain Half Sprouted Beaujolais, Brie and Salami SD Rolls With Pistachios

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BBD #83 - 50% Whole 10 Grain Half Sprouted Beaujolais, Brie and Salami SD Rolls With Pistachios

For Bread baking Day #83, found here at the KOCKTOPF Blog -  http://www.kochtopf.me/bbd-83-brot-spezialmehl-bread-special-flour Lucy came up with weird bake - even for her.  The theme is a bread that wasn’t just rye, spelt or wheat.  Well, this was not an issue with us since our usual bread has all kinds of sprouted and whole multi-grains from the ancient to the odd.

The bran levain really contrasts with the pink Beaujolais dough.

So, we had to come up with a more unusual one for this special bake.  Besides the 3 main grains we included, Pima Club, white wheat, emmer, oat, einkorn, buckwheat and Kamut.  The dough liquid is a 2010 Beaujolais.  The insides of these unusually rough topped rolls had pistachios, brie and salami.   Now Lucy can sit by the pool, in the AZ sun and imagine she is in Paris, on the Seine at a nice café having the usual fare all in one bite.

Lucy’s inspiration came from here  http://www.ashaggydoughstory.com/blog/2014/9/25/beaujolais-bread-breadbakers?rq=beaujolais  We converted it to a bran levain SD, Dumped the yeast, added the 50% whole and sprouted 10 grains, added the brie and pistachios, dropped the honey and baked it in a two piece cake pan as pull apart rolls.  Other than that, it did have salami and Beaujolai in it:-)  Out thanks to Lionel Vatinet who was the inspiration for the Shaggy Dough post.  That is the way it works in the bread world!

While we were drying the sprouted grains in dehydrator, we milled the 10 whole grains and sifted put the 16% hard bits for the first, 3 hour, feeding of the100% hydration of the bran levain activated with 5 g each of our stiff 16 week NMNF retarded rye and 4 week retarded stiff NMNF wheat starter.

Once the sprouted 10 grains were dry, we milled them and sifted out the 18% hard bits for the 2nd stage 2 hour, feeding of the bran levain.  The 3rd stage, 4 hour levain build was made with the high extraction whole 10 grain, non-sprouted, flour.

All total, the flour and 2 brans added up to 70 g and, with the 10g of starters, the levain weighed 150 g for 15% pre-fermented flour.  The levain doubled 4 hours after the 3rd feeding and was immediately retarded for 12 hours

 Putting the hard bits in the levain gets them wet and attacked by the SD acid as long as possible to reduce cutting of the gluten strands and the bran provides a buffer so the LAB can produce more acid at a lower pH than normal.  The result is that your bread will be likely be softer, loftier and more tasty too – a real three’fer if there ever was one!

Worst crumb ever in 45 years!

When the levain came out of the fridge we stirred it down and started the 1 hour autolyze of the dough flours and the Beaujolais with the salt sprinkled on top.  The levain had warmed up and risen another 25% when it hit the mix.  At the end of the autolyze, the salt was mixed in with a spoon.

And it gets worse with a close up.

Then the levain hit the mix and we did 60 slap and folds to incorporate it and get the gluten development started.  This was, followed by 2 more sets of 30 slap and folds each followed by 3 sets of 4 stretch and folds – all on 20 minute intervals.  We then let the dough rest for only 20 minutes, a short bulk ferment since the temperature in my Arizona kitchen is now at 84 F.

Other stuff this week - Killer smoked pork shoulder and ribs - half the ribs are gone for some reason:-)

While the dough was resting, we got the fillings ready by shelling the pistachios, and getting the sliced salami and double crème brie portioned.  We then portioned the dough into (12) 76 g pieces and rolled each into a rope using the palms of the hand – just like making bagels

This weeks fresh yellow beet horseradish with last weeks Jewish Deli Rye and smoked pastrami with brie, banana and raspberries here  http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/45728/50-percent-whole-grain-half-sprouted-jewish-deli-rye-caraway-and-minced-dried-onion

The ropes were then rolled into long rectangles, the fillings applied and the edge cut on one side with the dough scraper to make it look like a comb with a most of the teeth missing – sort of like my Bread Baking Apprentice 2nd Class.  Then the combs were rolled up from one short end encasing the fillings.

Funfetti Apple Upside Down Cake

The rolls were then placed into a non-stick sprayed 8” cake pan that had a removable bottom, comb side up.  The last 4 rolls were cut in half before rolling them up to fit into the smaller places left on the pan perimeter.   The pan was bagged in a used trash can liner and placed in the fridge for an 18 hour retarded proof. It didn’t look like it has risen one bit.  Something that happens with wine.

Leek, Potato, and Lettuce Soup with half a pulled pork and rye sandwich and a bit of salad.

Too much alcohol stifles the wee beasties.  Once it came out of the fridge the next morning, we left it on the counter to proof another 5 1/2 hours before we fired up the oven to a 450 F preheat with the 9 1/2“ heavy duty, aluminum pot / cloche inside.  It still didn’t puff itself up much at all.

As soon as the rolls went in the oven on the bottom stone and covered with the pot, we turned the oven down to 425 F and baked the rolls for 15 minutes.   When the lid came off we turned on the fan and baked convection at 425 F until the rolls were 200 F on the inside – about 18 more minutes. We took the rolls out of the pan and let them bake the last 8 minutes on the stone.  Do not be tempted to bake these past 196 F – you will not like it one little bit.

The rolls came out nicely browned but little spring was seen anywhere.   We can’t wait until they cool to have a taste and see the crumb – they do smell wonderful cooling on the rack.  We also think this bread would also be very nice for a special occasion if shaped as a Chacon using your favorite designs.  This bread is dead.  The worst crumb ever and i have made some bad bread crumbs in 45 years.  For some reason the wine killed off the SD wee beasties.  I will make thios recipe again but with water and no Beaujolais.  The flavor would have been half decent if you can get by the looks and mouth feel of the crumb.  You can bake it to 205 F too if the dough actually rises.  We won't be submitting this to the Bread Baking Day Folks:-)  We always post all of our bakes good or bad here though.

Grilled peppers and onions mixed with pork carnitas, cheese and molewith home make tortillas make for some kind of great smothered enchiladas.

Formula

3 Stage, 9 Hour Bran Levain build - 15% pre-fermented flour at 100% hydration using all of the whole grain bran for the first build, the sprouted grain bran for the 2nd build and some of the whole high extraction flour for the 3rd build.  5 g each Rye and Wheat starter, 70 g water and flour - 150 g total.  Your builds will depend on how much hard bits you get out for the whole and sprouted grains.

Overall

25% Whole 10 Grain – 125 g

25% Whole Sprouted 10 Grain – 125 g

25 % LaFama AP – 125 g

25% King Arthur Bread Flour – 125 g

78% hydration - 35 g of 2o10 vintage Beaujolai

2% Pink Himalayan Sea Salt – 10 g

Add ins - 36 g of pistachios, 72 g of salami and 100 g or brie.

 

Comments

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

didn't turn out. It was an interesting bake though. 

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

of proof in the fridge and 6 on the counter.  The levain was plenty active so something killed it and the only thing I can think of is the alcohol in the wine at 13%.  You forget it isn't beer at 6-7%.  Plus it was Friday the 13th too!  Live and learn.  I'm guessing this will be pretty nice without the wine.

Happy baking

Ru007's picture
Ru007

This even though it didn't exactly work, now we've all learned that too much wine kills SD yeast!

Its a very interesting recipe though  (i'd just lose the salami :-) ). I love brie but i never would have thought to put it IN a loaf of bread. 

Hope the next one works out well for you!

Happy baking :)

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dabrownman

It is too much fun making the cute little ugly rolls.  It is an interesting mix of techniques that deserves a better outcome:-) I could have baked this without an oven like Job and have it come out better.   It's not just the wine and Friday the 13th though.  Bad things come in threes and my wife just told me what the 3rd thing was.......very bad......  Oh Oh......

Happy baking 

Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

our imaginations run wild?

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

all about when she woke up sick again and wouldn't eat her breakfast after getting me out of bed at 6 AM to feed her.  So we will eat ice cream and cake, sing her Happy Birthday tonight and hope she doesn't ruin the bread for the rest of the year!

 

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Danni3ll3

I hope it is just the change of seasons that is getting to her. My dogs usually gave a day or two where they feel off when the heat gets here although this year, that doesn't look like it is about to happen anytime soon. Hubby tells me we are getting snow in the next few days and I just had my summer tires put on my car. 

Back to Lucy, boiled rice and chicken is helpful for tender doggy tummies and pure mashed pumpkin helps as well. You can use fresh or canned. Be sure it is pure pumpkin and not pie filling. I hate it when my pets don't feel well. Hoping Lucy feels better soon. 

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dabrownman

a could of years now.  She ate her food for the last two days so fingers crossed.

Ru007's picture
Ru007

I hope she feels better soon :(

Maybe the signing will cheer her up! 

Happy birthday for yesterday to Lucy :)

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

but sad her recipe was ta total loss. Can't even make altus out of it so in the trash it goes.

Ru007's picture
Ru007

Hopefully my bake works out tomorrow and Lucy will cheer up knowing that she inspired it :)

Fingers crossed !!

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PalwithnoovenP

We learn from each other's mistakes and I learnt something new today. I saw that crumb several times in my breads especially from failed SD attempts and under cooked breads when I still don't know my clay pot well. That still came out pretty and and I can imagine the flavor. I'll wait to see the "improved" version. I saw the chacon shape in one of your posts but I still don't know what exactly it is. Is it your invention or you learnt it from somewhere?

Lucy is 12 years old? Time flies so fast! Our eldest will turn 6 on July. I still don't know what I can bake for BBD but I'm sure my crazy mind will come up with something maybe in the wee hours of the morning! As usual, a nice Feast! Happy baking and...

Happy birthday Lucy!
Maligayang Karaawan sa 'yo Lucy!

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dabrownman

I suggest you not put wine in it:-)  This on should have been a perfect fit for BBD but instead it as a total loss.  This is the mist expensive bread we have made in a long time too!  The wine alone was probably $4.  Hopefully there is eough bread to tide us over to next Friday.

The Chacon shapes came from a Lucy idea to come up with a new way to shape Altamura breads.  Another Fresh Lofian, Tomas Chacon, helped in the beginning folding process which didn't end being used but we named it after him.  I have never seen these designs before but with millions of bakers baking bread for thousands of years, some baker somewhere likely did something similar in the past - I just haven't seen it.  A few months after I posted the first real Chacons, another Fresh Lofian informed me that a bakery in the UK used the technique to make one to win a  bread episode on the Best Bakery in the UK TV show - wonder where they got the idea?  So the Chacon is pretty cool and fun - a great way to make any bread special for any occasion ........and we might have seen it here firs thanks to Lucy

The other flavor enhancing bread thing we named was Toadies - named after another Fresh Lofian -  toad.de.b who sparked the idea with is version.

Good Luck with BBD!  Maybe we can get them to to do a 'no oven allowed' challenge bread bake:-)

Happy baking

Isand66's picture
Isand66

So sorry we missed Lucy's big day!  Max and Lexi along with the gang of kitty cats wish Lucy a happy belated birthday and are glad she is feeling like her old self again.

I'm sorry to hear your latest creation didn't work out.  I love the look of the outside and I'm sure if you try a second time with some modifications you will get a perfect bread.

Love all the other food goodies!

Happy Baking and best to Lucy and the family.

Ian

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dabrownman

anyway and since it kills off the wee beasties, it is no wonder you hardly ever see any breads made with 100% of it for the liquid.  I should have remembered that from Ganzel's experiments and data.

Weird we all missed Lucy's birthday!  Oh well there is always next year.

We will make this without the wine next time and it will be fine maybe half wine since the wine taste was too powerful by a large factor.  I do like the purple color though.

Lucy sends her best and happy baking Ian.

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Isand66

I could have warned you about the wine issue.  I had the same exact thing happen to me about a year ago.  Unlike beer for some reason too much wine kills the fermentation of the SD.

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Lazy Loafer

Have you ever tried making bread with grape skin flour? I have seen it advertised and mentioned in a couple of my bread books. It might be a way to get that lovely colour and maybe flavour without having the alcohol kill the SD beasties. Or maybe a bit of unfermented grape juice? Or boil the alcohol off the wine first? Hmmmm, you've sparked all kinds of ideas again!

Happy birthday, lovely Lucy. Hope you are feeling better and once again inspired for more interesting breads!

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dabrownman

of grape juice,  That is nothing but sugar and not good at all  for us diabetics.   I'm not fond of the wine taste in bread either.  Better to drink it with the bread:-)  We will give this a go without the wine for sure since we love the cool, comb shaping and the pull apart roll part.  The brie salami, and pistachio part was OK too.

Lots of ideas that lead to success come from failure and why many successful folks have failed way more often that those who don't - all the way to the top.  The first reaction after a failure is - Gosh I which i would have done that instead:-)

Happy Baking LL

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Skibum

Wow dab yo and your assistant sure do come up with some creative recipes. I enjoy wine with my bread, but had never considered putting it IN my bread. As usual your food looks delicious! Time for lunch.

Happy baking! Ski

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dabrownman

very expensive one:-)  They had brisket on sale this week at Kroger for $1.99 a pound so I picked one up, 17#'s,  for the Memorial Day weekend smoke  I froze the flat and will smoke the point since it is so much tastier.  Daughter coming home and future son in law too so plenty of people to wolf it down.  Too bad it isn't moose ribs!

Happy baking Ski