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100% WG Rye & Wheat Sprouted YW/SD w/ Walnuts, Prunes, Cranberries & Sunflower

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dabrownman

100% WG Rye & Wheat Sprouted YW/SD w/ Walnuts, Prunes, Cranberries & Sunflower

Last time we under filled the new Oriental Pullman pan so this week Lucy though she would overfill it.   It was perfectly filled until she duped in a bunch of add ins that made for about 400 g of too much dough.  From famine to feast still means the pan is struggling to do its thing because of a lackadaisical master and overly ambitious apprentice bordering on a doofus twofer.

 

So to really mess things up we decided to do an hour autolyze with a bunch of sprouted and whole grain rye and wheat too.  We decided to do a retard for a high percent rye bread – oh no! And we are doing a total 19% pre-fermented flour in two different levains which is a lot, about twice as much, for a long retarded dough on a near 100 F day or two in AZ.

 

We are hoping for 3 things I guess.  That the rye bran in the SD rye levain will make it very acidic which helps control amylase action in rye breads.  That the long cold retard temperature will also help control the amylase action in rye breads – enzyme and other wee beasties of all kinds don’t like the cold and slow way down.

 

Also, we hoped that the very long cold retard of weeks on end for the two rye starters have managed to increase the LAB to yeast ratio in the starters levain and dough so more acid will be produced helping to keep the amylase in check.  We also hoped that the separate YW wheat bran levain will help to open the crumb on this very heavy, whole grain bread as it usually does and has so well in the past.

 

Then Lucy decided to do a set of slap and folds and 3 sets of stretch and folds to do some gluten development on a bread that doesn’t have much of any of that.  She is a real renegade for sure and possibly a stealth Vicious Viking who will eviscerate you faster than vittles at best and upchuck on your toes at worst!

 

Lucy went for the really dark side with the Boulder Beer Shake Chocolate Porter for the autolyse liquid, some barley malt syrup, red malt and a bit of cocoa.  But, she went purist too by omitting the aromatic seeds we usually would put in a bread like this, so we could taste the whole and sprouted grains better which sounds a lot better than the real deal being….. that we just forgot to put them in.

 

She chucked in the add ins into the mix on the first set of stretch and folds, forgetting the squash seeds we had purchased for this bread,  which were done with a wet bench scraper and one wet hand to keep the sticky mess at bay with some luck in that regard.  Still, it was heavy, sticky at 94% hydration and gloppy going into the tall pan.

 

We shaped the top with a wet spatula and stuck more sunflower seeds to the top, bagged it and chucked it into the fridge with no bulk ferment at all since we were worried the long retard of 21 hours would likely over proof the dough anyway.  At the 11 hour mark, the dough looked fully proofed with the first cracks starting to form on the top.  Too bad we don’t bake bread at 10 pm around here, if the wife is at home, so it had to wait it out.

 

We preheated the new GE to 450 F with Mega Steam on the bottom rack once it hit temperature for another 215 minutes of getting the steam up to speed.  At the 21 hour mark it was way more cracked and possibly past its prime, so we sort of reshaped the top with a wet spatula, docked the top with a toothpick and hoped it wouldn’t collapse completely when it hit the heat.

 

We got lucky in that the bread didn’t collapse but it didn’t spring much either so I’m guessing it was fully proofed.  After 10 minutes we turned the oven down to 425 F and continued steaming for another 10 minutes.  Once the steam came out, we turned the oven down to 350 F convection and continued baking for another 80 minutes

 

We then took the loaf out of tin after 100 minutes total baking time when the loaf was exactly 195 F.  We baked it on the rack for an additional 40 minutes and took it out of the oven to cool on a rack when it hit 205 F. 140 minutes seems like a long time but this is big loaf of bread nearly a double miche at 4 pounds baked weight. Once cooled we wrapped it in plastic for the 24 hour wait before slicing.

 

It has promise crumb wise….. but it didn’t smell nearly as enticing or exotic as a loaf with aromatic seeds. Without the bread spices, the flavors of the sprouted and whole rye and wheat really stand out.  It was easy to slice in 1/4' sections with no crumbling at all.  Even with the fruits it isn't too sweet.  The crumb is moist and not as open as i would have thought it would be - bout normal for this kind of bread and all the add ins,  I don't think a bread could get moire healthy and hearty.- delicious too!.

 

Ribs and Salad don't go together well enough.

 

SD Levain Build

Build 1

Build 2

 Build 3

Total

%

2 Rye Sour Starters - 5 g Each

10

0

0

10

1.29%

18% Extraction Sprouted Rye

0

0

38

38

4.90%

13% Extraction Rye

10

20

2

32

4.13%

Water

10

20

40

70

9.03%

Total

30

40

80

150

19.35%

      

YW Starter

Build 1

Build 2

 Build 3

Total

%

Yeast Water

24

28

20

72

9.29%

22% Extraction Sprouted Wheat

0

28

0

28

3.61%

19% Extraction Wheat

24

0

0

24

3.10%

18% Extraction Sprouted Rye

0

0

20

20

2.58%

Total

48

56

40

144

18.58%

      

Levain Totals

 

%

   

Bran

147

18.97%

   

YW & Water

147

18.97%

   

Levain Hydration

100.00%

    
      

Dough Flour

 

%

   

Red Malt

10

1.29%

   

78% Extraction Sprouted Wheat

97

12.52%

   

87% Extraction  Rye

218

28.13%

   

81 % Extraction Wheat

101

13.03%

   

82% extraction Sprouted Rye

192

24.77%

   

Cocoa

10

1.29%

   

 

 

 

   

Salt

15

1.94%

   

Boulder Beer Shake Chocolate Porter

565

72.90%

   

 

 

    

Dough Hydration

89.97%

    

Total Flour w/ Starters

775

    

Total Water

712

    
      

Total Weight

2,052

    

% Sprouted Grain Flour

50.00%

    

% Whole Grain

100.00%

    

 Hydration w/ Starters & Add Ins

94.13%

    
      

Add In

     

Walnuts

100

12.90%

   

Dried Cranberries

50

6.45%

   

Barley Malt Syrup

25

3.23%

   

Prunes

100

12.90%

   

Sunflower Seeds

100

12.90%

   

Total Add Ins

375

48.39%

   

 

 

Comments

Yippee's picture
Yippee

Oops, it's your baby, not mine :-)

But I'm still so happy to see it.  Hope you're happy, too!

BTW, I'd like to see a different salad on the menu next time :-)

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

a loaf of rye so lofty before.  It has to be the pan.....I'm hoping the crumb comes out nice and open - it sure looks like it should be decent....but bread can be fickle - especially rye. Finger's crossed - so far so good....... How about tonight's salad for different  - it has blue cheese instead of Parmesan:-)

Yippee's picture
Yippee

I have higher expectations for you :-)

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

getting to the end of the season .....:-(

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

getting to the end of the season .....:-(

PalwithnoovenP's picture
PalwithnoovenP

I like the loft and structure for a high rye. Must taste so good from all of the additions. Can't wait to see the crumb. A loaf with seeds on top is saying "Eat me! Eat me!" to me.

Those ribs are bringing out the carnivore in me, must practice self control but it's not bad in a once in a blue moon feast!

How about a jello salad-different kind of salad?! Just kidding! Maybe you can try Korean naengchae with mustard sauce, you could also add your lettuces in.

Happy baking Uncle Dab (may I call you like this? please...) and Lucy!

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

You can call me anything you want.  My apprentice calls me a doofus and I still give her room and board - so no worries.  Growing up in Kansas City we love our smoked pork ribs like no other thing ion the world.  I've been making them for 50 years and will live forever as a result.  I used to be able to eat a whole rack by myself when i was your age.  Now my wife and I together make two meals out of 1 rack!  So this smoke was enough for a month of ribs for us having them once a week:-)  There is no life without ribs once a week!  The best whole pig I ever had was in the Philippines in 1972 though. - roasted on a spit over a fire on the ground - just killer and nothing like it.

We love all kinds of salads but I just don't take pictures of them:-) Can't grow Jello in the garden either:-)  My favorite is Chinese Chicken Salad.

You would like this bread Job and this loaf should last a month too if sliced thin enough!

Happy baking 

Isand66's picture
Isand66

Wow!  The fillings on this one look like they belong in the MOMA :)

You need to send some of that heat my way...it's still below 40 in the morning and we're supposed to get some cold rain and snow this afternoon :(  Hopefully when I go to the Mets game tomorrow and Monday we won't be having snowball fights.

Anyway, can't wait to see the crumb on this one and get your taste results.  I can only imagine how amazing this one is going to taste especially with some of those left-over ribs.  Hopefully I get a chance to smoke some ribs before my trip to China.

Lexi and Max say hi and wish they could come over and play with Lucy and swim in that nice warm pool...okay maybe just Lexi since Max hates the water :).

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dabrownman

and only be in the high 70's tomorrow so a perfect time to work on the pool pump which isn't doing much of anything worth doing,  This one is full of rye and wheat flavor for sure.  Very tasty and a joy to eat.  Glad you liked it Ian .  Lucy will do her best to sent the heat your way and sends her best to the 7 furry ones/  Lucy would rather eat white bread then get in the pool.  Poor thing - her legs are so short she can't get out and is too stupid to know where the steps are.  When she falls in you have to be there to save her from drowning.

Happy baking Ian

Ru007's picture
Ru007

That loaf looks amazing and delicious! So inspiring! 

How long does this kind of loaf last if kept out at room temp?

And the salads looks great too, i'm a fan of strong tasting cheeses so thumbs up to the blue cheese. I'm choosing to ignore the ribs though :)

 

 

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

into little squares and pair it with cheeses and fruits on top.  That is my usual lunch with this bread.  Simple yet so tasty and natural besides being delicious.  I slice up the whole loaf at the end of day 2 when the flavor has matured and then freeze 6 slices as a group so I don't know how long it would last on the counter.  A few days at any rate.  Mini Oven keeps her 100% whole rye breads in the fridge until they are gone but that is the only one she keeps in the fridge.  I'm not sure what would happen to a near 70% rye in the fridge.

This one looked pretty scraggly coming out of the fridge and didn't look like the proofed picture above.  It had cracked a lot and sort of over spilled the sides of the tin - but it was really cold so I just docked it on top with a toothpick and resahped the top with a wet spatula to make it look all pretty and new again before it hit the heat.  Since it was fully proofed but not over proofed it didn't collapse or spring much.  The picture below shows what it will look like when it is too cracked and too full proofed.  Glad you liked the bread and happy baking .

 

Ru007's picture
Ru007

of the over proofed loaf, It helps knowing what that looks like, so I can let mine go for as they need to with more confidence. 

I also slice up and freeze my bread. I thought keeping bread in the fridge was a huge faux pas (even if it is 100% rye) , looks like we break all the rules around here! What fun :)

 

Happy baking

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

reshaped and docked the top of it for the oven:-)  Cold is good for these kinds of over proofed issues.  Keeping bread in the fridge will make it stale faster with the one exception being 100% rye breads - but I don't do it for tham either - in the freezer it goes instead.

There are many old wives takes when it comes to bread for some reason.  They need to be tested to see if they are based on scientific facts.  We broke a lot of supposed rye rules with this one because I have never found them to be true before and, low and behold, they still aren't.  The whole Universe is nothing more that science and math so why would bread be any different?  I have never found bread to break the laws of science and math though:-)  Bread baking is much easier if you know nthe science and math of bread.  It takes all the mysticism out of the equation

Happy baking.

Happy baking

Ru007's picture
Ru007

I'm trying to read as much as I can about the science behind the process, I'm pretty sure i'll be a better baker for it. 

Do you have any suggestions for good books? 

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

SD and enzymes.  but it you type sourdough, rye bread, enzymes in flour you will get hits from Wiki.  Each of these will have footnotes and those at bottom of the page will direct you to all kinds of scientific journals and research.  Ganzel's research is a must read.  The Dutch also did an experiment on the various stages a starter goes though and what wee beasties they found at each stage.  Debra Wink, our resident microbiologist of note on TFL also has a wonderfully detailed post on what is going on with SD science so search for that under her name.  There is so much stuff out there you will be amazed.

Lucy really should put togethjer a list of places to read about bread making and SD.

Happy researching

Ru007's picture
Ru007

about bread making and SD. I know i'd definitely read it!

Thanks for the references. I'll start with wiki and work from there. 

Happy baking!

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

I have covered everything I know about cooking and baking - only took 2 years so far but I add to it each week.  But I haven't gathered up all my notes, research and thoughts on the science part as well I could - to be found in one or two places.  I am too old to write a real book but Lucy is writing her bread book.  Sadly, it is in Swedish Dog Latin, near cryptic for humans and fiction to boot:-)

Ru007's picture
Ru007

Have to learn Swedish dog Latin! I think I'm a quick study and I do love a challenge.

And FYI, you don't strike me as too old for anything! :)

Happy baking! 

Reynard's picture
Reynard

It's time to bring out the strong yellow cheese ;-) I just bought a large lump of Tilsitzer the other day, so that's my excuse LOL...

Could do with some of your heat... It's about 15C here and the rain is coming down in stair rods :-p

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dabrownman

week.  Some banana, cantaloupe, Swiss cheese, brie, super sharp cheddar, fresh salty cojita cheese so no need for olives and some fresh blackberries.  That's all we need besides with a nice red wine and a French cafe setting:-) 

Since it got cold and rained here the last two days maybe it will warm up on the far side of the pond!  

Happy baking Reynard

Yippee's picture
Yippee

That looks like my type of meal!  Only in much smaller portions, especially the cheese.

 

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

Me and Lucy!  She loved it too..... You are welcome any time!  We invite the world but it hardly ever shows up:-)

Reynard's picture
Reynard

But now it's back to the usual of cold, rain and overnight frosts. I mean it's nearly MAY for crying out loud, and I'm still wearing winter woolies!!!

Isand66's picture
Isand66

I hear you....raining and 48 F here in New York!  Enough already!

Reynard's picture
Reynard

Last few days have been cloudless, sunny and about 17C. Actually feels like spring now, but knowing my luck, it'll revert to the usual after the weekend LOL...

Yippee's picture
Yippee

I'll take a rain check.  You know, my idol is from Arizona.