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Starter with 3 flour blend?

docfarrah's picture
docfarrah

Starter with 3 flour blend?

Hello All,

I was curious about how you experienced bakers in the sourdough arena maintain your SD starters?  More specifically, the types and percentages of flours that you use.  It seems (from my reading) that most people keep either a 100% (white, WW, etc) or a blend of two flours (e.g. Forkish recommends 80%AP/20%WW, Robertson 50%AP/50%WW).  But, I've also heard of others using a blend of 3 flours in one starter and using it in all their breads.  Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Farrah

 

alfanso's picture
alfanso

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/44733/starter-survey

question asked less than two months ago.  Doc, for questions like this, there is a pretty good chance that they have been asked before.  The search box in the upper right of the webpage is a pretty good place to start for seeing if there had been any like, for example, your question in the past.

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Postal Grunt

For the most part, I use KAF AP but I've also added a touch of rye, white whole wheat, and whole wheat flours at different times. It consumes all types. The biggest influence on my starter is usually the room temperature. It works well now with a 70F average room temperature but when given 76-80F temps, my starter behaves like a teenager, eating everything and growing quickly.

Since I bake only one or two loaves a week, I keep a 50 g or so piece at 75-80% hydration in the refrigerator and then use a smaller piece of that, about 20 g, in a two stage build for my levain. Leftover pieces are often added to the pizza dough on weekends. If I feel like using rye, rye flour it is. The same goes for whole wheat. If you have good procedures, you can change your white flour starter to rye or either whole wheat after three or four builds and have 99% purity with a bit of patience, planning your schedule, and the desired flour. You can work backwards as well but that can to be work rather than fun.

Unless you're convinced that you have to be true to type for every kind of bread you bake, I'd suggest keeping a white flour starter as your go to starter and then building smaller rye or whole wheat starters when needed.

 

 

docfarrah's picture
docfarrah

I'm sorry, I missed that one!  I've been searching on TFL, but I guess I was using the wrong key terms...

Thank you for the link :)

zachyahoo's picture
zachyahoo

I've only been baking sourdough for the last couple of weeks, but I've been refreshing my starter with 25% rye, 75% bread or AP flour.

docfarrah's picture
docfarrah

A blend of Rye and AP flours (25% and 75% respectively).  I've come across some threads where people are using a tri-blend of flours, and I guess that is what I was interested to find out.  I can see Postal Grunt's point in keeping just a 100% white... but was hoping for some feedback on keeping a 'blended starter,' maybe with rye, WW, and AP flours....

 

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bigcrusty

Farrah,

I have three starters - White, Rye and Whole Wheat.  I mill the Rye and Whole Wheat flour myself from grains I get from Honeyville.  The White is usually Dakota Mills Bread Flour (unclorinated & unbromated).  I use raisin water.  The water where I live has been voted the best in Wisconsin for quality.  I use tap water after standing for 24 hours with a handful of raisins thrown in.  I haven't combined starters although one of my recipes for Polish County Bread uses both the White and Rye starters for the levains ( I use only natural levains in my breads.)  The two starters along with a 2/1 rye soaker give the bread a very distinctive flavor.  Your comment about mixing intrigues me and I may give it a whirl.  The White and Rye starters are refreshed on a 1:1 basis weekly and are done at room temperature and then stored in a small refrigerator that I use for my breadmaking.  The Wheat is trickier.  I use the same 1:1 proportion but the wheat should be kept at between 50-65 degrees F.  So I take it out of my fridge at c. 42 F scoop out and dispose of 100-150 gms and replace with a fresh mix of water and flour; let it stand out 1 - 1.5 hours and turn my baking fridge up to 50 F for another hour or two.  This keeps the Wheat starter from getting too acidy and gives a sweeter wheat bread.  

Hope that helps.

Big Crusty

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MonkeyDaddy

No Muss No Fuss starter, posted by Dabrownman.  He is a very experienced contributor on this forum and his starter technique is quite amazing.  In his post, he discusses the use of several flours (many of which he grinds himself) and he makes any kind of bread you could imagine.

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dabrownman

was peeked by Mini Oven no slouch when it comes to starters when i did her original Ancient No Fuss Starter- a golf ball size piece of WW dough at about 70% hydration that is nestled in a small brown bag of AP flour to cover,sealed left for 7 days on the top of the fridge,  Viola - a starter is born.  My No Muss No Fuss Starter was born from that experience.  One starter is all you need but I have 6 right now down from a recent 7 - 3 of them are potato ones. one of which is Witch Yeast from another experiment gone to starter, storage nirvana in the fridge :-)  Combination levains made from different starters is one of those great experiments that bread enthusiasts just can't stay away from doing .....

On of my favorites is the YW Primer, another fine search and a perfect natural starter where no sour is needed.... one that I learned from teketeke and Ron Ray. Imporytant hings get passed down and around here all the time just like they should....Starters are fun and they never let you down, no matter how many times you abuse them or let them down and thankfully, nearly impossible to kill - if you try to do so on purpose.

My new favorite SD starter is the 4 day to baking great rye bread one.... with Peter Reinhart fame attached.   Without starters of all kinds, bread baking would pretty boring and darn near tasteless most of the time   With them it is one fun, tasty and tasteful hobby that can last lifetime.

Happy baking wit hstarters

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docfarrah

Thank you all for your responses!  Dabrownman, I've come across your No muss, No fuss starter, and I think I will give it a try. Right now I am keeping a 75/25 AP/Rye starter, and yes... it is still on the counter and getting fed 1-2x/day.  I know a lot of people out there think I'm crazy for not refrigerating my starter, but I do like the flexibility of being able to bake whenever.  I am experimenting with an 'offshoot' in the fridge and so far it is doing well, and I will next try your no muss, no fuss starter.  I am still relatively new to SD baking, starters, etc... so am still learning and experimenting with different things.  I would like to try a 70/20/10 blend (AP/WW/Rye), and was thinking of applying this to your recommendation.

Cheers,

Farrah

 

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Jane Dough

I do the 70/20/10 blend pretty much exclusively. I believe dmsnyder used to use that blend and that's where I read it. His bakes are always beautiful.    Regardless the blend has always been extremely lively. I do not do only AP flour ever for a bake so this is a very good starting point for building particular levain on.  It also adds a touch of flavour on its own. 

J

docfarrah's picture
docfarrah

Hi Jane,

I converted my starter to this blend, and it is awesome!  I too always bake with some whole wheat and rye added in, so this makes much more sense to me.  Thanks for the feedback!

Farrah