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Bran Soaker Water Sprouted Multigrain Super Sour White Sourdough

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dabrownman

Bran Soaker Water Sprouted Multigrain Super Sour White Sourdough

Lucy’s recent methods for spouted sourdough breads of 30-100% whole and sprouted flour have used the bran to feed a small amount of long retarded rye starter to make a 3 stage levain that is then retarded for 24 hours.

 

It always amazes me how much the acid in the levain bleaches out the flour color.

One of the things we have notices is that the bran is much softer when it is wet the longest and subject to the acid of the levain.  The crumb was a bit more open and softer as a result. The other thing we noticed was that the bread seemed bit more sour tome but this was harder to tell.  Since all of our beads are a bit more sour than the average sourdough.

 

Another Fresh Lofian; Doc. Dough; who is also a bit of mad scientist like me except he actually knows something about science, has access to the equipment needed to test the pH and TTA of starters, levains dough and baked bread.  He has been running experiments and tests to determine what the real effect of bran has on acid production of starters, levain and dough.

 

From what I can gather, he first set up a baseline for his favorite white sourdough bread using his white starter, levain, dough and finished bread.  What he then did, and I’m sure he will one day explain it more completely and in depth himself to TFL community, was to take wheat bran and soak it in warm / hot water for several hours and then sift out the bran and then use that water to build his white levain to see if there is anything water soluble in bran that would contribute to more acid production, lower pH and higher TTA in the levain,  dough and resulting baked bread.

 

When he told me about his plans I was amazed at how insightful he was to get into this issue with the tools necessary to quantify the effects from a scientific base of his own white sourdough bread.  There are some really smart people in TFL community.  When I saw his preliminary and limited results I was even more blown away.

 

It seems there is a direct, linear relationship and link between what ever is water soluble in bran and an increased acid production in the levain and dough and the resulting bread TTA is also much higher meaning a more sour bread results.  I find this amazing.  I always thought there was something in bran that stimulated more acid production and better tasting bread and this work by Doc.Dough seems to point to the fact that this might really be correct.

 

Basically what we are talking about are enzymes, minerals and vitamins that are released into a water solution from bran.  We know some are water soluble but others need a weak acid to be released.  We also know that warm temperatures really get the enzymes active, cold temperatures slow then down and but high temperatures will denature them completely – sounds just like LAB and yeast to me. Here is a link that explains much of the science.

  http://www.classofoods.com/page1_7.HTML

 

So for this week’s bake Lucy came up with a white sourdough bread experiment that was based on Doc.Doughs work to see if we could taste the difference this process might lend to white SD bread.  This is totally subjective and non scientific but she picked a recipe that we have made enough to know what it usually tastes like if we remember correctly.

 

e used 40% whole and sprouted 5 grain flour 50/50 by weight consisting of rye, pelt Kamut, barley and wheat.  The 20% extraction hard bits were soaked for 6 hours in 105 F water.  The quatity of water used for the soaking was 75% hydration for the entire dough plus the weight of the bran which was 50 g.

 

So, the 50 g of bran was soaked in 430 g of water.  This would give us enough soaker water for the 3 stage levain build at 100% hydration plus give us the required dough liquid.  Before the soaker was used it was stirred and then run through the same sifter used to do the initial flour extraction to get just the water and small soluble bits.  Any bran caught in the sieve was returned to the soaker water.

 

We did every thing we normally do as far as levain, dough and bake goes but, since the bran was being sifted out to get the liquid, no bran was in the bread like it normally would be – just the water soluble portion if the bran was used.

 

We did our usual 3 stage levain build over 12 hours and then retarded it for 24 hours.  We autolysed the 80% extraction sprouted and whole flour with the LaFama AP for 1 1/2 hours with the pink Himalayan sea salt sprinkled on top.

I'm liking that miso curry soup. 

Once the warmed up levain hit the mix we did out usual 3 sets of slap and folds of 30. 8 and 8 slaps on 30 minute intervals with 2 sets of 4 stretch and folds on 45 minute intervals before being placed into the fridge for a 21 hour cold retard.

 

It seems we have grilled sockeye salmon once a week.  It is for sure my wife's favorite.

We did a quick pre-shape as soon as the dough came out of the fridge and then did a final shape into a boule 1 hour later.  It was placed seam side up in a rice floured basket for a final proof to 50%.  The dough was un-molded onto parchment, on a peel, slashed tic – tac-toe style before hitting the 425 F heat of the oven in a preheated combo cooker.

 

After 20 minutes of steam the boule had bloomed and blistered beautifully and then 20 minutes of  425 F convection heat with the lid off browned it nicely.  We will have to see how the crumb came out later.  The crumb came out glossy,open and moist.  It was more sour than our usual 80% extraction bread and points to the promise of Doc.Dough's data that clearly shows bran soaked in hot water and then removed and the soaker water used in the levain and dough make for a measured lower greater TTA in the finished bread.  So if your white bread is not sour enough and you don't like bran and a smaller crumb,  This technique is for you.   The 80% extraction sprouted and non sprouted grains still give this bread some bran and the flavor of a whole grain 40% portioned bread is still there.  We like this one a lot.  Thanks to Doc.Dough for all of his fine work with these soakers and a new  bread technique to bring out the flavor and the sour in sourdough.

 

 

3 Stage SD Levain Build

Build 1

Build 2

 Build 3

Total

%

10 Week Retarded Rye Sour

10

0

0

10

1.95%

80% Whole & Sprouted Ext & LaFama AP

10

20

57

87

16.99%

20% Extraction Soaker Water

10

20

57

87

16.99%

Total

20

40

114

174

35.94%

 

 

 

 

 

 

Levain Totals

 

%

 

 

 

80% Whole & Sprouted Ext & LaFama AP

92

17.97%

 

 

 

20% Extraction Soaker Water

92

17.97%

 

 

 

Levain Hydration

100.00%

 

 

 

 

% Pre-fermented  Flour

17.97%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dough Flour

 

%

 

 

 

80%  Extraction & LaFama AP Mix

420

82.03%

 

 

 

Total Dough Flour

420

82.03%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Salt

10

1.95%

 

 

 

20% Extraction Soaker Water

294

57.42%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Total Flour w/ Starter

512

 

 

 

 

20% Extraction Whole And Sprouted Grain Soaker Water

386

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hydration with Starter and Scald

75.39%

 

 

 

 

Total Weight

908

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were 49 g of 20% Extraction Spruted and non sprouted

 

 

 

50/50 each of bran sifted from 5 fresh gtains including spelt,

 

 

 

wheat, ryr, Kamut and Barley soaked in 400 g of water

 

 

 

 

for the liquid used in the levain and bread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The dough flour was the 80 % extraction whole and

 

 

 

 

sprouted grains with Lafama AP 50/50 - 210 g Each

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

Our Crumb's picture
Our Crumb

Thanks for the account of D.D's study.  Interesting to know what's in the bran soakate that renders levain acidic.  I wonder if boiling it first would remove the acidification activity.  That would support hypothesis that it's an enzyme (dentaured by boiling).  Could also fractionate the soakate - all kinds of ways.

Happy baking dab.

Tom

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dabrownman

work will reveal the cause of the extra acid production, but if it was an enzyme denaturing heat would reveal enzymes as a possible cause - but which one or combination of them would still be unknown.  One odd thing so far is that hot soaker water, not hot enough to denature, makes for more acid.  Also the more bran used in the soak also makes for more acid in the levain and bread/   Maybe some graduate student in microbiology will take this up for a degree thesis:-)

Happy baking Toad

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victoriamc

I love the crumb texture of your loaf, its perfect, the holes are just what I would order!  Not so big that toppings fall though, but big enough to give lovely texture and chewyness.  Congrats.

 

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dabrownman

Nothing like trying new experiments to see what results,  Now to dry the spent bran and get it  into the crust somehow so nothing is wasted or lost.  We do like how this one came out taste wise too,

Happy baking .

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PalwithnoovenP

Ah! The technicalities of bread and baking really turns my brain into porridge! :P Very cool, I'm amazed. Maybe this technique is for me as I don't like the rough texture bran imparts sometimes!

I wish Doc.Dough's study will reveal more in the future. Thanks for sharing this.

Beautiful bread as always with brown crust and open crumb!

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dabrownman

Another super sour method was Syd's take on Josh's Super Sour if you want to search for it.  DD has a lot of really good things coming out of his experiments plus all the research too.  it is amazing how complex these wee beasties are with so much to learn, yet they are pretty simple to manipulate once you figure it out,  I'm sure that he will post the final findings if he gets them done - there is always another thing to test out to cover the bases and to make sure your data points to the right conclusion.  in this case it might be more what happened and how it happened more than why.it happened.  still,  I am pretty physicked. 

happy baking

KathyF's picture
KathyF

Your bread always looks amazing! And frankly, so do your salads and other tasty meals. Yum!

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dabrownman

comes to food around here,  Lucy wants to freeze dry the next loaf of bread and then paint it brown to look like it was baked.  it is difficult having her under feet sometimes,  She thinks she is a Picasso or possibly Dali depending on what this bread ends up looking like,  Can't wait to taste that one.  This one tasted great but we will be dong some more experimenting with it this Friday...the sprouts are finally dry and it's time to dry them.  Glad you liked the post. Bran soakers will soon take over the world once they learn to walk and chew gum at the same time:-)

Happy baking