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100% Whole Wheat loaves with Tangzhong method

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Wheat Rules

100% Whole Wheat loaves with Tangzhong method

Crumb shot

 

Long time lurker...first time poster here.  After reading about the Tanzghong method here on Fresh Loaf I decided to try it with the whole wheat bread that I have been making for 18 years. I mill Prairie Gold and use a Bosch Universal to knead the bread, and the results were incredible! The tangzhong produces the softest crumb  ever, and the bread remains moist for at least 3 days. Great oven spring as well. 

 

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Darwin

Looks good, much nicer than the one I did this weekend.  Which yeast did you use?

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Wheat Rules

I use SAF instant yeast, but the dramatic rise is because of the tangzhong.

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Floydm

Wow, that is incredible!

I still haven't tried Tangzhong with whole wheat. I need to.

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dabrownman

seems to th all the rage with Tinned WW sandwich bread this past week.  All of them well done like yours and at least 2 of them used Tang Zhong / Water Roux!


What a great bread - Happy baking in 2014 

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mrfrost

Great!

What is the formula/recipe?

How much dough(weight), into what size pan for pictured loaf?

Thanks.

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Janetcook

Reading that it has taken you 18 years of baking to get these kinds of results made me feel like my 3 years wasn't so bad after all *- }  Good loaves take time…..

A couple of days ago I posted my whole wheat loaf using a roux as well and our loaves look very similar but your oven spring outdid mine by triple!!!!  

Thanks for sharing your remarkable results.

Take Care,

Janet

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Wheat Rules

My loaves are 1 1/2 lbs each. I always use the same amount so that I can compare the spring. Janetcook...your loaf is beautiful! My pans may be smaller than yours. Well done for only three years of baking! I think that the extra hydration of the TangZhong is magic for whole wheat.

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Mini Oven

T-shirt time!   "TANGZHONG!"    That loaf & crumb LOOKS fluffy!

Never be afraid to use a little left over porridge, congee or other cooked hot cereal in your loaf.  It used to crack me up when the German recipes were translated into English calling something similar: "wall paper paste."   That could be cornstarch and water or potato starch or rye flour diluted into water and heated up to thicken.  Try it with gluten free flours.

Lots of possibilities here.  

Oh! ... I've found the starter loves the stuff to grow on too!   Can you imagine me sharing my breakfast oatmeal with my starter?  or inoculating my hotel congee in China?  

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farmcook

What percentage of the flour goes into the tangzhong?  Would love to see the recipe.

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kensbread01

Would love to see the recipe or reference to where I can read it.

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Wheat Rules

I had the recipe ready to submit but I somehow lost it. Bear with me...I'll get it together.

 

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Wheat Rules

Mill 12 cups (2315 g) of Prairie Gold into flour. Use 5% of the flour in the tangzhong. I use a Bosch Universal Plus. if your mixer does not have a large capacity, you may need to scale the recipe.

 

Tangzhong

115 g (scant cup)flour

575 g (2 1/2 c) water

Whisk together and cook, stirring with whisk and rubber spatula until thickened to a porridge like consistency. Let cool to room temperature.

 

Dough

All of the tangzhong

1070 g (4 1/2 c) water

175 g  (1/2 c) honey

100 g (1/2 c) oil

most of the remaining flour (reserve 3 cups)

2 Tbsp yeast

3 Tbsp salt

in the bowl of the Bosch Universal Plus mixer, combine all ingredients and mix until a very soft but not sticky dough is formed, adding as much of the reserved flour as needed. Let rest 4 minutes. Then continue kneading for 6-7 minutes. Allow the dough to rest in the bowl for 10-15 minutes.

 

Divide dough ( I get 6 one and a half pound loaves). Pat each dough into a rectangle and roll up to form a loaf. Allow the loaves to rest on the counter for about 20 minutes. Shape the loaves a second time and place in greased bread pans

Let rise until ready. Bake at 350 degrees for 35-40 mins, until done

Enjoy!

 

 

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Mini Oven

for my understanding of Tangzhong.   

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Wheat Rules

The total whole wheat flour is 2315 grams.The correct amount is now listed. Thanks for catching the error.

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dsmithnc

Do you set aside 3 cups as a reserve?  Is the wheat amount (2315g) equal to 2315g of flour? Sorry if I'm sounding a bit dense about this.

 

 

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Wheat Rules

Yes, set aside 3 cups out of the total 2315 g of flour. The extra hydration of the tangzhong means that you may need less flour. Add as much as you need to make the soft dough. Don't be afraid to add extra water if you feel the dough is too dry.

The weight of the grain and the milled flour is equal...the volume is different.

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dsmithnc

Thanks very much.  Going to give it a try.

 

 

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warren

Made this today.   Great recipe and easy to make. Didn't get the oven spring in your picture, but it made a nice loaf of bread.  Other than the rest periods is there a fermentation time?

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Antilope


but haven't called it that. Heating the flour to around 150-F in water gelatinizes the starch, creating a translucent, unflavored pudding. A cornstarch pudding is similar, it is heated in milk until the starch gelatinizes.

What have we added pudding to for years, to make it more moist? Cakes! Pudding cakes!

Adding a Tangzhong water roux to a bread recipe is similar to adding pudding to a cake recipe, and the result seems to be the same. A more moist, light and fluffy product.

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sandydog

Wheat Rules - You have made some great looking bread there.

Whilst I have not tried the Tangzhong method outlined in the above postings, I am familiar with something similar from the book "Whole Grain Breads" by Peter Reinhart.

Reinhart talks a little about what he calls the Chinese "Soup seed technique" and offers alternative proportions for making the initial mix, varying from very thin (Tangzhong) to gravy like and some a lot thicker. Bakers in Britain are likely to be familiar with the term "Mash" and "Scald" which are essentially very similar with the differences appearing to be the level of control exerted on the proportion of flour as well as the temperature of the mix which has an effect on the enzymatic activity in the flour. Antilope partly touches on the subject above. I don't know what bakers in USA call these techniques but I feel sure they will know about them.

Enough theory already - For those who have Reinhart's book, it is well worth trying his recipe on page 195 (My favourite) and comparing it with the "Tangzhong" version. For those who do not have the book - It is extremely easy to read with very clear descriptions/explanations and well worth putting in your bread baking library. 

Thanks again, Wheat Rules, for a reminder of a great technique for making the tastiest Whole wheat bread ever.

Happy baking,

 

Brian