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Submitted by probably34 on February 18, 2011 - 12:39pm America's Test Kitchen's Amazing tasting yeasted whole wheat sandwich breadMuch like Reinhart's recipes in whole grain breads, this recipe uses a biga and a soaker. 2 loaves Biga 11 oz bread flour 8 oz warm water 1/2 tsp instant yeast combine ingredients, let stand 8-24 hours Soaker 16.5 oz whole wheat flour 1/2 cup wheat germ 16 oz whole milk combine ingredients, knead until smooth, refrigerate overnight Dough 1/4 cup honey 4 tsp salt 2 Tbsp Instant yeast 3 oz butter, soft 2 Tbsp veg. oil soaker and biga Cut up the soaker and combine it with remaining ingredients in stand mixer. mix 2 min. on low to form cohesive mass. Turn machine to medium and mix 8 to 10 minutes or until windowpane. Knead by hand to smooth out the dough for minute. Deposit intp oiled bowl or container. Ferment 90 minutes, stretching and folding half way through. Shape into two loaves. Preheat oven to 400F. Proof 60-90 minutes or until almost doubled Score loaves length wise down the center. LOad in the oven with steam Bake, rotating halfway, 40- 50 minutes, or until the loaves register 200 F in center
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looks interesting
i like whole wheat bread, and have been interested in trying a sammich loaf. I'll give it a shot.
ATK Whole Wheat, Lots-O-Yeast?
Can you double check on the amount of yeast? 2 Tablespoons, in addition to the 1/2 tsp in the biga that's been fermenting for a good part of a day. Seems like a lot for 2 loaves?
Otherwise, looks like a goodie.
I agree it is alot. I suppose
I agree it is alot. I suppose they wanted a huge oven spring.
Are your measurements fluid ounce or weight?
It seems that some of your ingredients are in volume (cups and tsp) and some are ounces so I'm not sure if you are weighing the flour (i.e. ounces of weight) or measuring it in a volumetric (fluid ounces) measuring cup. Please clarify which ingredients indicating "ounce" are by weight and which are by fluid measure.
I would guess/assume that the milk and water are fluid ounces?
everything that says "oz" is
everything that says "oz" is by weight. Everything else volume
Fluid ounces of milk and
Fluid ounces of milk and water conveniently weigh 1 oz each.
Those are pretty fast rises
Two Tablespoons of yeast doesn't seem like too much when considering the amount of honey. The salt is on target. The dancing around with oz is an eye catcher. Water in oz. and then honey in cups. Germ (a dry ingredient) in a dry cup but why not oz. like the water and flour in the rest of the soaker?
Since one would most probably put the mixer bowl on the scale to weigh out dough ingredients, the honey & germ would be better listed as weight or both. I would expect more precision and consistency from a "test" kitchen.
It looks more like all the various average measuring cups and scales were sitting in front of them and they grabbed whatever was handy at the moment either to measure or use as a container. Anything under a cup got put into a volume measuring cup or spoons. Actually the butter doesn't hold the pattern being in oz. instead of cups. Did the scales not weigh anything accurately under 8 oz? (I'm thinking the butter was cut off at the wrapper mark and not weighed.) Just another way of looking at it.
I converted the butter to oz
I converted the butter to oz because I'm used to working with one pound blocks of butter with no Tbsp markers. The recipe calls for 6 Tbsp butter. The recipe does have volume measurements for the flours, water, and milk, as well as the weights. I think the magazine is slightly geared towards the slightly more ambitious sally homemaker, who may or may not have a scale.Regardless of all the fussiness, the bread is delicious.
Amt of honey
Is honey an inhibitor of yeast? I don't get the connection. Ray
When used in large
When used in large quantities, all sugars and fats in breads are inhibitors of yeast growth.
When used in large quantities
Hi cranbo, thanks for your response. Your point is well taken, however 1/4 C honey doesn't seem like too large a qty. of sweetner for the amt of flour in America's Test Kitchen's bread. (mabey a little) A dough is considered to be sweet or high in sugar when it contains more than 1/2 cup sugar for every 4 cups of flour, according to Red Star Yeast. I think the 2 tablespoons plus is far more yeast than is needed for that particular recipe. Ray
Agreed
Consider their(ATK) Multigrain bread recipe: similar amount of flour(and/or total grains), same amount of honey, for 2 large loaves.
Even shorter rising times, for 2 relatively huge looking loaves(video link in thread), on (effectively)almost one third the yeast(2 & 1/2 teaspoons).
http://redsilvia.typepad.com/knitblog/files/multigrain_bread.pdf
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/17309/troubleshooting-quothot-cerealquot-multigrain-bread
i think I disagree
please correct me if my math is wrong, but let's run some numbers here:
11oz = 312g biga flour
16.5oz = 468g soaker flour
Total: 780g combined flour weight
1 tsp of dry yeast weighs 3.156g (7.1g in a packet, approx 2.25 tsp per packet)
2 tbsp = 6 tsp = 18.936g yeast
18.936g / 780g = 2.42% of total flour weight in yeast
Other stats from this recipe:
2.42% for yeast doesn't seem unusual in a soft sandwich bread with a relatively quick, unrefrigerated rise with over 10% butter and over 10% honey. I routinely make tasty, fluffy sandwich bread and burger buns with well over 3% yeast with sugar at 10% and butter at 25%. I also think it probably helps provide extra lift, given the amount of WW flour.
Many ways to make good bread
Hi cranbo, I make a buttermilk bread which is very similar to a whole milk bread recipe, using 1/4 C honey and from 2 to 4 Tbls. butter, 830 grams whole wheat flour, 2 tsp. salt, with one packet of active dry yeast (have subd instant yeast), plus one extra rise, and the rise and spring is really good. I usually make the straight dough version, but have also used a preferment version. Check out jmonkey's buttermilk with biga experiment. He adapted it from Laurel's Kitchen Breadbook. Ray
Sounds good
Hi Ray,
Your recipe sounds good, and I'm happy it works for you.
I'm not debating that bread your bread won't rise with that amount of yeast. According to your recipe, you're using about 0.86% of active dry or instant yeast.
According to DiMuzio in "Bread Baking",
He goes on to say that
It's a really great book, I highly recommend it.
Ray, I wonder what your rise times are for your recipe, and at what temperature you ferment your dough? Do they fit in with these figures?
My guess is that the higher amount of yeast in the ATK recipe was used so that it works well across the widest spectrum of situations. I'm guessing the ATK folks figured having higher yeast levels can help compensate and produce better results, whether the cook is in cold high-altitude Colorado, low humid Florida, or dry and hot Arizona, and with a variety of ingredients and flours.
My point is that while 2.4% yeast might be high, it's just not that surprising or unusual.
Your point is understood
I have Di Muzio's bread baking An Artisan's Perspective. I have not read it cover to cover, but agree it is a useful book. My dough temp is around 78, ist rise 90 min. (about) @ 80, 2nd rise about 44 min. @same temp. final proof 85 degrees or warmer, for around 40 min. I rely on the finger press for final proof, whether it feels soft, or a bit longer for spongy, depending on how brave I feel at the time.
I agree the ATK recipe is one for all seasons and widest spectrum of situations, including folks that prefer to sit on their bread while it rises. That amt of yeast could possibly accommodate that. Kidding of course, small joke, very small.
Seriously though, the 2nd rise, Laurel's method, has bailed me out of under mixing/kneading, too much or too little hydration, where small adjustments can be made after 1st rise, and smaller still adj. after 2nd rise. by shaping time it's pretty much good to go. I have not yet experienced the smaller amt. of yeast tiring, or not being up to it.
Ray