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MasterChef

Some questions from a beginner

Hi, i'm Ric from Italy, i love this forum and i would try to ask u something about starters.


I will try to use my english skill as better as i can, sorry for any inconvenience.


First of all i have a 100% hydratation sourdough with 1:2:2 ratio feedings every 3 days and store in refrigerator.


 


Don't remember why but at the first week, during seed culture, i feed my starter with a 50% hydratation.


The question is : my starter after several feedings at 100% will come back pure at 100% or the feedings i made at 50% are no more erasable ?


 


Second questions , when i need some starter for a recipe and i take out of the fridge , is that starter immediately usable for the recipe (part of it) or i need to feed it and after this take the part i need ?


 


Actually i take out the fridge, take what i need for the recipe and feed again the other one 1:2:2 awaiting for double and then again in the refrigerator. Correct ?


Last question, how to change starter hydratation whenever a recipe needs somethinh different (like a starter at 166% for example )?


Thanks for your help.

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paddyboomsticks

Ciao Ric, come' sta? Mio nome' e' Patrizio. Ho studiato italiano al'univerita' per otto mesi, ma non ricordo tutto!


Your questions, as far as I know:


1: Yes. It will return to being 100% Hydration after several feedings. If you want, you can accelerate this by adding a small amount of starter - say 20-40 grams to a 100% ratio of flour and water.


 


2: A topic of much debate! In my personal opinion, You can use your fridge starter IF you are making a levain, biga, et cetera with it. I wouldn't use it straight from the fridge if it was going to be mixed right into the loaf.


 


3: This relates to the second question. I personally will make a fresh starter for each loaf I bake, using 20-30 grams of my fridge starter + flour and water at the correct hydration.


I hope this helps you. There are much more experienced bakers here than I who may have a different - and more correct - set of answers.


Suo inglese e' piu bene di mio italiano! Mi dispiace! Ciao,

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clazar123

A lot depends on the temperature in your house.Sourdough cultures do best above 70 degrees F (21.1C)-I forget the exact ideal temperature.


I don't use my culture straight from the refrigerator to make bread unless I want to wait days for my bread to rise. Some people do. I make sure my culture is very active before I use it. SO,you either wait for the culture or you wait for the bread.


Sunday:


I take 3 or 4 tablespoons of starter out and feed it twice a day with equal weight flour/water (100% hydration) and try to keep it in a warm place. (To clarify, I don't weigh the starter-I just take a little out of the jar.I weigh the flour/water.) I usually use 25grams each. Make sure the container is going to be large enough to contain it and a doubling rise for a week-I use a 4 cup glass measuring cup.


Wednesday:


By Wednesday, the culture is usually bubbly and smells wonderfully yeasty/wine-like but may not be doubling. A LOT depends on how consistently warm the culture has been kept. At this stage-you will make great smelling bricks-it just doesn't have the strength to rise a loaf.


THursday,Friday,Saturday:


Now it consistently starts to rise-anytime between here and Saturday I bake.I still feed twice a day and keep it warm. I usually use 1-2 cups of starter per week (my recipes generally call for 1/2cup to 1 cup starter per loaf of bread), so if I'm going to be using more,I just feed it higher amounts so that by the time I need it, I have the volume I want.


If you bake often,you really don't need to discard any culture because you are taking it out to bake with and starting to re-build for the next use.Actually, I keep a small amount in the refrigerator (as a backup) but keep a culture on my counter constantly bubbling away. If I don't bake for a week,I don't feed it and it seems to do just fine.If I kill it with neglect or overheating-I have my backup in the refirgerator.


I have found if my culture is slow to start bubbling, I just keep it consistently warmer. My culture also has more sour taste if I keep it consistently cooler.You have to get to know your culture. I think this is a reflection of the environment that the 2 major bacteria in the culture likes-lactobacillus seems to like it cooler-yeast likes it warmer.


The ambient room temp may not be a problem where you are but I am in the USA in the cold Midwest. COme summer I won't have a problem and will start my culture brewing for a shorter time.


So-I bring my culture to full activity at 100% hydration before I make bread.


Enjoy!


Life is good!


 


 

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five by five

I really liked this post, especially the comment about great smelling bricks. Mainly because I made my first loaf of sourdough the other day and it came out like that. Delicious, but roughly the shape of a frisbee and very dense.


I have a 100% hydration starter that I had been feeding once per day. It doubled in about 5-6 hours. I fed the starter and shortly after it doubled I removed 1/8th cup and added it to the bread flour and water for my bread. I then kneaded it as usual, let it rest for 30 min, formed it into a boule and let it rise overnight. There was very little rise if any. I baked with it anyway and it had a very nice sour flavor but was very dense. Where have I gone wrong here?