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Source for First Clear Flour?

WatertownNewbie's picture
WatertownNewbie

Source for First Clear Flour?

The posting about Eric Hanner led me to look at the recipe for Eric's Fav Rye, which includes first clear flour.  Does anyone have a good source for that particular flour?

Thanks and happy baking.

Ted

idaveindy's picture
idaveindy

sells Ardent Mills "Powerful" brand first clear flour.  5 lb bags and 50 lb bags.

https://www.bakersauthority.com/products/ardent-mills-powerful-premium-clear-flour

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Stover and Co sells Bay State Milling "Boxer" brand first clear.

https://www.stovercompany.com/boxer-clear-flour-50lbs

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If you're willing to do some detective work, and can store a 50 pound bag of flour, consider this:  10 to 15 pounds of flour from Baker's Authority, with shipping, is going to cost about as much as a 50 pound bag without shipping.

How can you get a 50 pound bag of flour without shipping?  From a restaurant/pizzeria/bakery supply distributor... IF there is one near you. And if they will do "counter sales" to individuals.

How do you find such a distributor?  Either online Yellow Pages, or .... look to see who distributes General Mills "All Trumps" flour near you.... because... All Trumps is used for pizzas and bagels... and ... First Clear is also used for bagels.  So, there's a chance that a distributor of All Trumps will sell, or can special order, First Clear.

Here is a web page to see who sells General Mills All Trumps in your area. Use the "Find a distributor" form.

https://www.generalmillscf.com/products/category/flour/hard-spring-wheat/all-trumps-enriched-malted-50lb

Good luck, and bon appétit.

WatertownNewbie's picture
WatertownNewbie

Thanks for your reply.  I checked before my original posting and saw that Baker's Authority sells first clear flour, but I also noticed a large number of customer complaints (and the seller's response that staffing issues were a problem).  Baker's Authority also appears to be similar to what Stan used to do at NY Baker in taking large bags and repackaging them  in smaller quantities.

Have you tried Baker's Authority and found them to be reliable?

Econprof's picture
Econprof

I’ve bought from them several times and haven’t had any problems. I don’t really have anywhere to store a 50 lb bag of flour, so I stick to the 10 lb bags. I wasn’t aware of the customer complaints.

idaveindy's picture
idaveindy

I have not purchased from B. A. personally.

I regards to reviews... realize that BA is in Queens, NYC, NY.   NYC had strict lock-downs early in the pandemic. NYC was extremely hard hit in terms of a high infection rate, illnesses and deaths early on in the pandemic. And 2020 saw retail baking supplies shortages along with huge demand. I can imagine how the early 2020 reviews came to be.

Based on their list of open employee positions on their web site, I'd guess that they might not have fully recovered yet.

So, yeah, I'd be wary.

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I think your best bet might be a nearby flour distributor as I mentioned. 

The spec sheet at BA for first clear says .76% ash.  So it's slightly "high extraction."  (Regular white flour is .50 to .55% ash, whole grain is 1.6%)

If you normally combine whole grains with bread flour, you may like using first clear instead.  At one pound per week, you'd use up the 50 pounds in a year -- even quicker if you sell/share some flour with local baking friends.

I'd like to try some, but I have never used or bought any yet.  

I have called around, and Indianapolis does have restaurant/pizzeria/bakery supply distributors who do "counter sales" to individuals if you go pick it up. I've verified All Trumps, and a couple King Arthur flours, but not first clear.

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If you're friends with a pizzeria or bakery owner, you might even be able to ask them to buy a 50 pound bag to resell to you.

Isand66's picture
Isand66

That’s where I always buy it.  You can order online at www.kingarthurflour.com

 

WatertownNewbie's picture
WatertownNewbie

Before posting my question I checked around, including King Arthur, and did not find any first clear flour at King Arthur.  They do have many different flours, but I don't think that first clear flour is one of them.  Did I miss something?

Sugarowl's picture
Sugarowl

I saw pictures of KA clear flour online (3lb bags),on a blog post from 2019, but not on the KA website either. You could try calling them or emailing them. It may be something on a super secret list, seasonal or even discontinued. KA has been nice when I have called them.

Here is the post I found when I did a picture search: https://greasylittlebirds.com/first-clear-flour/ So they at least used to have it.

WatertownNewbie's picture
WatertownNewbie

Thanks.  King Arthur used to stock rye chops, but they dropped that awhile ago (which I confirmed once by an exchange of emails with someone there).  I imagine that they dropped first clear flour too since it is no longer on their website.

Sugarowl's picture
Sugarowl

in a chat. They told me they just recently dropped it.

Isand66's picture
Isand66

I guess I should have realized it when I was there last month😱

alcophile's picture
alcophile

My question, which I've asked before, is there a good substitute or approximation for first clear flour?

So few recipes specify its use that a 2–3-lb bag, let alone a 50-lb sack, would be way too much flour. I have usually used bread flour and a little vital wheat gluten as a substitute, but I know that isn't perfect.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!

trailrunner's picture
trailrunner

I happened to read some of the links in the post concerning Eric Hanner. If you look back to his post about his rye you will see he says use regular white flour and add some whole wheat. I don’t remember the exact amount but I think it was 20% of total flour weight.