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Malted Wheat Flour

gvayl's picture
gvayl

Malted Wheat Flour

Hello, 

I want to make a malt loat from Bertinet's book Crumb. It requires malt wheat flour and I was wondering if this link that I found is it:

Giusto's Vita-Grain All-Natural Artisan Malted Unbleached Bread Flour, 5lb Bag https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HSPX7LM/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_2PPX3XYDMT8NY89C36Z4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Anyhow finding lots of malted barley options but not malted wheat. 

Apologies if this is a stupid question... Kinda new to this. 

 

Thanks in advance! 

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Mariahposa (not verified)

It's not the same. 

It's still bread flour...heavily processed commercial flour...the important parts of the wheatberry containing the nutrients (and flavor) have been removed. Which makes me very curious about how that product could be produced. Are the berries sprouted first and then they remove the bran and germ and mill the endosperm? It's a contradiction. It's a farce and just another label, another way to make money is how I see it. 

I suppose if you must purchase it ready-made, look for one that has absolutely no ingredients except for one, that is, sprouted wheat. I still wonder about this because flour oxidizes and goes rancid sooner than one may think. But it's definitely still better than a product with an extensive ingredient list. 

Malted wheat flour is simply flour that was made from sprouted wheat.

I do this myself at home. I purchase local organic wheatberries, soak for 12 hours, drain, put them in jars, filling them up no more than half way, so that there is aeration and oxygen and no possibility of mold growth. I keep the wheatberries moist, rinsing 1-3 times daily as necessary, and keep them in the dark, and that encourages germination. I place the jars upside down using a cheesecloth and rubber band for the excess moisture to drain. It will sprout after a couple days. Then airdry them over another couple days, then mill. 

gvayl's picture
gvayl

Thanks for your reply! I bet I can actually do all that myself if I had time. But I think I found this ready made!

https://www.vitacost.com/one-degree-organic-foods-organic-sprouted-whole-wheat-flour-32-oz?

 

Anyhow probably not as good as whta you make... But will fit my schedule. 

 

Thank you! 

 

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Mariahposa (not verified)

You're very welcome! That new link looks excellent, that's what I would buy if I were unable to prep my own. Great find. 

Yes, I figured as much. I'm on Disability, and I'm isolated, so yeah, if there's anything I've got, it's a ton of time.

I just meant to provide some background information. This was all news to me until recently. 

mariana's picture
mariana

Malted flour in the UK is a specialty bread flour with at least 4% of malted barley flour in it. Sometimes chopped or flaked malted grains or seeds are added to it as well, for taste and texture, for crunch. It has malty taste and aroma and can be tan colored if malt was dark, roasted prior to milling it. The malt used is non diastatic, heated, inactivated, so you can substitute dark barley malt syrup if you wish, the resulting bread would be the same. Such malted bread is very popular in the UK and Ireland.

 Examples of specialty malted flours and barley malt flours and chops of different darkness to create your own malted flour mixes

https://www.bakerybits.co.uk/flour/flour-by-style/malted

What you linked is malted in a different sense. It has 0.2-0.5% of diastatic barley malt added. Not for the aroma or malty taste of bread, but for fermentation, as a source of alpha amylase in flour. Nearly all bread flour and all purpose flour in the world is malted in this way, although modern millers and bakers prefer to add amylase directly

Bertinet's loaf has plain bread flour, malted wheat flakes and malted wheat flour in it, meaning (non diastatic) wheat malt milled into flour and rolled into flakes, both. Wheat malt is sold in beermaking supplies stores for about $2-3 per pound. For example

 

gvayl's picture
gvayl

Thank you! 

 

So for the bread... Do you recommend using regular bread flour instead of malted wheat and adding white wheat malt(assuming I have to grind it) into the dough or adding dark barley malt syrup into the dough?

In either case what perportion do you recommend? I. E. If a recipe calls for 100g of malted wheat flour how much syrup or white wheat malt do I add?

 

Thanks again... This really clears things up! 

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mariana

Yes. Bertinet's recipe for Malted Wheat Sourdough lists

strong white bread flour;

rye flour;

malted wheat flakes;

malted wheat flour

dark malt beer; malted dark ale

IN the US, regular bread flour IS strong bread flour, so use regular bread flour.

Where it says malted wheat flour, you would have to purchase wheat malt from beermaking supply store, roast it a bit on a skillet or in a microwave, just to heat it through, and mill 100g of wheat malt into flour in your coffee grinder or blender/food processor.

Alternatively, you could substitute

100g of malted wheat flour = 100g bread flour +130g of barley malt syrup.

I.e. instead of adding milled wheat malt, add regular wheat flour + malt syrup. Reduce water in the bread dough a little bit afterwards to compensate for the syrup. 

 

gvayl's picture
gvayl

Sweet! Will do! 

Also I have a place to get malted wheat flakes. So now I can make this!

 

Thanks! 

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alcophile

mariana,

Do you know of a North American source of non-diastatic malted wheat products like those sold by BakeryBits? The overseas shipping from BB is prohibitive.

I know King Arthur has the malted wheat flakes, but the price with shipping is also expensive ($13/lb). KA also does not sell the Nuttimalt nor any of the malt flours that are sold by BB.

As you mentioned, I can purchase inexpensive diastatic wheat malt at a brew store but flaked malt is not available; only unmalted flaked wheat. This flaked wheat does not impart the texture that the thicker malted wheat flakes do. I found it blends into the final crumb of the bread.

I would like to approximate the malt flours that BB sells, but I did not get a satisfactory answer from BB on the color of the flours compared to brewing malt. Do you have any thoughts on which barley malts would be most appropriate?

How much does diastatic wheat malt need to be heated to render it non-diastatic? You mentioned heating in a microwave or roasting on the stove. Does it need to change color to deactivate the amylase?

Thanks!

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mariana

alcophile, 

no, I get them from BakeryBits.

The origin or the nature of 'flakes' is not that important, they can be malted or unmalted, wheat, rye, barley, rice, or oats, for as long as you utilize the trick I explained above:

100g malted flakes = 100g regular flakes + 130g liquid malt extract (or dry malt extract+water).

Liquid malt extracts come in a variety of colors and origins, wheat malt extract, rye malt extract, barley malt extract, rice malt syrup, colorless, extralight or pale, medium, extra dark, etc. The same is with DMEs. Dry malt extracts, they come in a range of colors, from pale to very dark. So you can mix and match as your heart desires for a variety of textures, colors and aromas/tastes/flavors. 

LMEs and DMEs are always non-diastatic, as are flaked kernels of common grains sold everywhere (wheat flakes, rolled oats, rye flakes, barley flakes, rice flakes, etc). Examples.

Malted wheat flakes and other soft grain flakes (white wheat flakes, precooked rye flakes, fast cooking rolled oats, etc.) will dissolve in the crumb, for sure. Hard Red wheat flakes, regular rye flakes - not so much, especially if you add them as raisins, after kneading your dough. Many mills come with a flaker attachment, you can make your own, set the desired thickness. I prefer to use flakes/rolled oats externally, they shine that way, and chops and cracked grains in the dough, as in my favorite - Cracked Wheat Bread.

No dark roasting is necessary to deactivate enzymes. Roasting/caramelizing is for flavor. Simply heating them (whole malt or chops or flakes) through is enough. We had a discussion about milk not long ago here on TFL, how to deactivate milk enzymes, and the scientific data shows that about 10 min at 90-95C would be enough to deactivate enzymes fully and irreversibly. 

best wishes, 

m.