thoughts on adding commercial yeast

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Hello, 

after years of making reasonable basic sourdough loaves I thought it was time I experimented a bit.

I followed a recipe for flaxseed bread from Wild Yeast whcih turned out very tasty indeed (if a little dense - I think I overproofed).

Anyway, the recipe threw up a couple of questions I would love to get the answer to from the clever people on here. Firstly, why does the recipe call for such a tiny amount of starter? It says 17g. For a batch as big as it makes I would be looking at more like 400g! Secondly, why the need for commercial yeast? I'm not against it per se, I just wonder why not simply use more starter and a longer proofing time. I do suspect that with such a low gluten bread (there's a lot of rye and flax in the recipe) it needs a bit of help rising, but I just don't know.

Any help on these questions is gratefully received. The recipe is below (and delicious if you want to give it a go)

Flaxseed Soaker Ingredients:

  • 91 g whole flax seeds
  • 273 g water

Rye Sourdough Ingredients:

  • 364 g whole rye flour
  • 290 g water
  • 17 g rye starter

Final Dough Ingredients:

  • 182 g whole rye flour
  • 364 g high gluten flour (such as King Arthur’s Sir Lancelot)
  • 119 g water
  • 4.5 g (1.5 t.) instant yeast
  • 17 g (generous tablespoon) salt
  • All of the rye sourdough
  • All of the flaxseed soaker

Method:

  1. To make the rye sourdough, mix the starter and water, then add the rye flour and mix well. Cover and ferment for 16 hours at room temperature.
  2. Make the soaker at the same time you build the sourdough. Combine the flaxseeds and water, cover, and let rest for 16 hours.
  3. Combine the fermented sourdough, soaker, and the rest of the final dough ingredients in the bowl of a mixer with dough hook. Mix in low speed to incorporate all the ingredients, about 3 minutes. Adjust the water as needed to achieve a medium consistency dough.
  4. Continue mixing in medium speed until the dough starts to hold together, which will indicate the gluten is developing. If you can get a windowpane, it will be a very crude one. This might take about 3 minutes, but will depend on your mixer. The dough will be very sticky.
  5. Transfer the dough to a lightly oiled container. Cover and ferment for 45 minutes at 80F. (I roughly achieved this temperature by placing it into a large plastic bag with a cup of hot water.)
  6. Turn the dough into a lightly floured counter and divide it into two pieces. (My pieces were 730 grams for the batard and 930 for the round.) Preshape into balls and let rest, covered, for 10 minutes.
  7. Shape the dough into tight rounds or batards and place them, seam-side-up, into well-floured brotforms or linen-lined baskets.
  8. Proof, covered, for about one hour at 80F. The loaves are proofed when the surface shows the faintest hint of “cracking.”
  9. Meanwhile, preheat the oven, with baking stone, to 460F. You will also need steam during the initial phase of baking, so prepare for this now.
  10. Just before baking, slash the loaves as you like, at a 90-degree angle to the surface of the loaf.
  11. Bake at 460F with steam for 15 minutes, then without steam at 440F for another 35–45 minutes, until the crust is a deep brown. Then turn off the oven and leave the loaves in for another 10 minutes, with the door ajar, to let the loaves dry.
  12. Cool on a wire rack, then cover with linen for several hours before cutting.
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"1. To make the rye sourdough, mix the starter and water, then add the rye flour and mix well. Cover and ferment for 16 hours at room temperature."

There's the answer to your first question. It's no longer 17 g of starter.  After 16 hours, it has grown into 671 g of starter. 364 + 290 + 17. 

Second question: why commercial yeast?

Apparently, just mind-reading here (but that's what you asked for ?) the author's goal was  to get the bulk ferment done in 45 minutes, and the proof in an hour.  At first glance, you could assume that was  just their preferred schedule.  The 16 hours is overnight+.  The rest is a Saturday morning. 

The flavor of commercial yeast could have been a goal, too.

Toast

With this much rye, and this much very sour rye dough, prolonged ferment would destroy gluten and and the loaf would be flat. So the author wants commercial yeast do the raising, and do it quick, while gluten is still there. And the 600+ grams of levain are essentially contributing to taste and flavour, without doing the actual leavening of the final loaf. 

This appears to be a common general method for a "hybrid" loaf - ferment a large proportion of the flour with sourdough, then add the rest of the flour and liquid and some yeast for a quick and strong rise.  I have baked a few loaves according to the Weekend Bakery's Pain Rustique recipe, which uses  half the total flour in the pre-ferment.  I have also used it with greater wholemeal content, just increasing the hydration a bit.  It appears to be a pretty reliable method.  As @idaveindy notes, the speed is useful when you suddenly realise you are going to need more bread for tomorrow lunchtime, and as @Uzbek notes, it will help get a decent rise when other aspects of the ingredients or method might make that tricky.

I am not doing this at the moment because of the yeast shortage, fortunately my sourdough starter is working for me.

Me too, it's quite active, especially in this warmer weather. It's interesting to hear how commercial yeast will aid the rise and stop all the gluten being eaten up. Very interesting. My flaxseed bread was lovely but a bit too dense and I think that was due to overproofing and so it turned out dense.

Thanks for the reply.

It might also have been dense due to being 60% rye.  That would have dominated over the 40% portion that was white flour.  So don't blame yourself.