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Using SD Starter to Make Pre-Ferments: Yes/No?

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bastet469

Using SD Starter to Make Pre-Ferments: Yes/No?

When I made the Pineapple Mother Starter from Peter Reinhart's Artisan Breads Everyday, I assumed the majority of the recipes that followed would use it. I was wrong. In fact, popular recipes in his book like sandwich loaves and cinnamon rolls, don't use any home-made levan. Others recipes like pizza, use a completely different home-made levan called a Pre-Ferment (Biga, Poolish, etc.) that contains the very commercial yeast that bread enthusiasts rail against! Grrr. So now I'm stuck with a huge container of starter and few bread recipes for it.  But then I started wondering. If bread recipes could be converted to use the Mother Starter in place of the recipe's yeast, could the same kind of conversion be done to Pre-Ferment recipes? To be clear, I'm talking about an ingredient conversion, not a swap, one levan for ther other. I figured someone must have wondered the same thing but checked our forum as well as the web and I can't find an answer. So has anybody tried or heard of making Pre-Ferments using their Mother Starter? -wendy

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Lazy Loafer

Not sure what the problem is, Wendy, but I've seen both your posts now (the ones saying you're having a problem posting)!

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bastet469

I fixed the problem by removing the emojis from the post. Thanks for asking. 

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tom scott

I use SD in the Jim Lahey recipes.  He calls for 1/4 tsp of yeast.  I use 1/4 cup of SD on the presumption that commercial yeast is more concentrated.  I'm a rookie but this seems to work for me.  The 18 hr room temp ferment is not aggressive with SD.

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dabrownman

Just take 15% of the dough flour and 15% of the total water in the recipe and mix it with 20 g of starter and let it sit for 12 hours covered on the counter.  Then make the bread remembering to deduct the water and flour you took for the levain and that things will take much longer for ferment and proofing.  That is how easy it is.

Happy SD baking 

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bastet469

I wanted to use the SD starter to make the Biga and Poolish recipes in Reinhart's book. When you say it will take much longer for fermenting and proofing, do you mean 2 times or more longer? Let me put it another way.  Is there a point at which it takes too long and the proofing or levaning has failed? 

-wendy

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dabrownman

and put in SD starter instead.  Times can be 2 to 3 or more times longer  depending on the size of the levain how active it is and the temperature etc,.  But time is not important - watch the dough, not the clock.  It will always tell you when it is ready even if you are not:-)  If the recipe calls for the dough to rise 30% or 80% during bulk ferment or proof then that is what you look for.  When it comes to SD,  patience is as golden as the yolk of an egg.  Patience also comes to those who wait a long, long time::-)The wee beasties in SD aren't as numerous or vigorous so things take longer.

You can over proof or over ferment any bread, not just SD, if you don't watch the dough.  You will get the hang of SD  - no worries.

Happy SD baking