May 7, 2015 - 11:59am
can you judge doneness of bread by oven smell?
Greetings
I wonder if anyone determines when a bread is done in the oven judging from the smell in the kitchen?
I noticed that few minutes after that wonderful smell, it kind of disappears and a bit of burning smell shows up instead. Is that a sign that once the awesome smell spreads in the house its time to take the bread out of the oven?
So, when should we test for doneness? as soon as we get that fresh bread smell? 5 minutes later, or what?
I find the hollow sound test problematic, because as I take the loaf out, it is still stuck and not easy to get to its bottom to knock. I have to cover the pan with a towel for 15 minutes to be able to take the sandwich loaf out. It would then be too late to test for doneness, I guess..
coming out of the loaf and surely one cannot divine whether the bread is done by the smell. I get the wonderful fragrance during the first fifteen minutes of any bake using steam and for sure the bread is not done at that point. The only reliable way is to use an instant thermometer and read the interior temperature of your bake. It also goes without saying that you should use an oven thermometer to assure that your oven is the correct temperature. I check my oven every six months to make sure the thermostat is still accurate.
" the wonderful fragrance during the first fifteen minutes" is most likly the peal flour or flour on the bottom of the loaf roasting on the very hot oven deck, pizza stone or steel. It is indeed a wonderful aroma but is very different then that, that one smells in the end stage of a bake.
Alan is spot on.
At least expecting consistent smells across all shapes and styles of bread seems iffy. A big round that bakes for nearly an hour and has a very dark crust is going give off very different odours than a baguette that bakes for 20 minutes.
For a particular recipe baked in a particular shape and size? Yeah, you might be able to recognize the proper smell for what you consider done. I don't have a great sense of smell so I've not tried it.
The only reliable test for doneness, that I know of, is the interior temperature: about 195° - 200°F (91° - 93°C).
Ford
I must be in a mood today. Anyway.
If I've baked the bread in question many times - yes, I use the smell in the kitchen to think "Gee - I should check that thing." We all vary in the acuteness of our sense of smell and the notes we pick up, so this may be my gift as a baker. I'm usually within a couple of minutes of being correct as to it being done. A baguette smells different from a whole wheat loaf and from a rye. Don't know the science behind it, but I can always tell. I get a range of aromas from the flour itself (I can tell "bread" flour from "all purpose" and a few other gradations), through the mix, the fermentation, the proof and the bake. It is part of the pleasure of baking for me.
That being said, this is only an indication of the need to test for the bread being done. And so I always test. I don't ever go on smell alone.
And there we have the next topic. Our OP has a problem far beyond testing doneness with smell. The bread is sticking to the pan. This needs to be solved. One of the great indications that panned bread is about at the end of the bake is that it pulls away from the pan and it should unmold without further ado. I like oil or pan release, but this is a personal taste. They shouldn't be sticking. Something else is going wrong.
If an instant read thermometer were the only way to know if bread is done, I am forced to ponder mightily how all those bakers, all those years before its invention or common distribution, pros and home bakers alike, managed to turn out loaf after loaf - well baked.
I've been involved in long discussions with a baker who have inserted probe thermometers in the loaf during the bake and plotted the temperature rise. This has convinced said baker (and others) that this is not the best method. I occasionally have to answer to this baker, so I tend to agree.
The "thump" test is a valid one with panned loaves and others (once one gets the sticking problem vanquished). With free standing loaves, I have been trained to give the loaf a squeeze with both hands. This can be challenging with a loaf right out of the oven, but it can be done. One should hear the crackle and feel the resistance. It takes practice, but it is worth it. I'm a great enthusiast of the fast read thermometer for many things. but I have never poked it into my bread.
To the OP - your bread should not stick to the pan after you pull it from the oven. A properly baked loaf in a properly prepared pan should unmold easily. Solve that first and then try any of the above methods and enjoy the aromas from your bread as they change through the process.
Hope this helps.
The thermometer doesn't gauge moisture content inside the bread, does it? You can get a reading that the temperature is supposedly done, but the moisture content is still too high and not driven off by enough baking time?
I know that you asked about bread, but did you know that if you're able to smell the scent of brownies while they're baking that some of the flavor already leached out from the brownies. I learned that from America's Test Kitchen. That's even worse because you have to take brownies out before smelling them. Anyway, after watching several episodes of The Great British Bake Off (The Great British Baking Show in the states), I think I prefer to err on the overbaking side of baking yeast breads. Raw yeast dough is not tasty.
As for bread stuck in the loaf pan, I had that problem on several occasions. Usually it's because the bread was underdone. Or I might have cleaned the loaf pan too thoroughly. I watched a youtube video, and the lady in the video recommended not washing the loaf pan. Basically treat the loaf pan like a cast iron skillet. Wipe it clean with a paper towel and keep it well seasoned with oil.
I have an thermostate in my oven , I do not need one to check if the bread is done when it comes to my sourdough breads that I bake in my DO.
30 minutes on 250C with the lid on, 20 minutes on 200C with the lid off and always perfect.
If I have a slightly larger bread than my usual I add 7 minutes to each times, never fails.
If I make a loaf on a baking tray I have to use my thermostat to check.
The smell of bread baking in the oven ist fantastic but I would never know by smell if the bread is read, nor by colour.
if you have a German Bread Balking Apprentice 2nd Class With a well trained, experienced nose for such things - doneness is no problem. She can even tell if the loaf will cause cancer in humans:-) She can even tell if you need a typhoid shot. Hey....When you are good .... you are good and Lucy is Nose Bad! i will rent her out as long as you promise not to spoil her in any way like her Master does:-)
Happy baking
I have a second Class Apprentice,his mouth is so amazing, he can tell just by tasting bread if he likes it ot not.
OMG, I need to go to bed, I am going MENTAL.
2nd Class there......Just beautimous!
I hope you're better now, PetraR
I was not expecting a genuine question to be made fun of. I wish I could share your musing.
i am sorry if I have offendet you, that was not my intention.
I know that your question was genuine, I gave an answer to it earlier on.
This however was just a little bit of banter between dabrownman and me regarding our dogs.
is the smell of something burning. Be it crumbs on the bottom of the oven or the loaf crust. :(
Edit: I have an amazing gift of smell, but enjoy the aromas of baking bread too much to stop making them (remove bread from oven) when they indicate the outside of a loaf to be done.
Aroma is influenced by temperature, the higher the temp, the less aroma. Preheating the oven, days later, can release residual aromas from the previous bake session. For more aroma, use lower baking temps for a longer period of time.
I thought that smelling bread aroma is common. Am I gifted to be able to or what?
That dog is really beatiful and interesting. But it seems that we humans too can tell by smell, at least some of us. Here are some quotes that I found here..
Judging by smell is also common in baking cakes..
Blindfold yourself and have a helper put same bread thaat has been hidden from you in the oven......and don't set a timer. When you smell the bread done have a helper take it out of the oven and let you get a good sniff at it to make sure you think it is done. Then, if you still think it is done, take the blindfold off, have a look and test the temperature with an instant read thermometer.
Now i have baked 300 different breads the last 3 years and they all smelled at least a bit different to me depending on what kind of bread was in the oven. If you got the smell right the first time, now you only have at least a thousand other breads to master. I'm not saying it can't be done but my money is on Lucy to get there first.
Happy baking
I could understand a sensitive nose might pick up alcohols and stuff released during baking bread but with cakes I am baffled what are you smelling, roasting nuts, caramelizing sugars, heated cocoa, natural and artificial flavours evaporating and non of those things would indicate doneness to me. If it works for you keep doing it but I know I can't even figure out what to smell for unless I was looking for the burnt smell Mini mentioned and with cakes even that doesn't reliably indicate the centre is done baking.
Gerhard
I'm truly puzzled. I always thought that the amazing aroma of bread baking is one of the reasons why we no longer buy bread. The smell is just awesome, and it fills the entire house with a scent like no other, more so with sourdough starter doughs, although the smell of yeast bread is nice too, but its no match for the unique aroma of sourdough bread and pizza.
http://sensorydecisions.com/fresh-bread-smell-fragrance-spray. A great air freshiener for the car too
Happy smelling
Really? to be found on TFL?
Or is this spray for the: Bread baking fathers begging bread baking breaks from burdensome baking aroma lovers, the non bread baking mothers. (say it 10 times)
own fresh bread smells in the kitchen and not need the spray. But there has to be some Moms out there, of Fresh Loaf bakers, who don't bake bread and would love the spray for Mother Day tomorrow. I know i didn't want to ask my Mom to come over and smell the kitchen every time I was baking being at least thousand miles away. it's bad enough having Lucy around under foot:-) Talk about an unusual Mother Day gift. Way better than the Tennis Shoe and Smelly Sock my Mom got.......Bless her soul - she had to be a Saint with 3 boys 3 years apart.