June 14, 2014 - 1:23pm
Some general beginner questions that I have been saving up..
I have been baking for about 1.5 years now. Just baguettes and sandwich breads. During this time, I have had made many successes and mistakes. It has been a wonderful and rewarding journey. I have some questions that I have saved up and hope I can get some answers. I hope they are not stupid questions.
- What is the difference in "function/purpose" between the first rise and second rise?
- Is the second rise called "proofing"?
- What are the symptoms of under (1st) rise? and over (1st) rise considering the second rise is timed correctly?
- As far as simple sandwich bread is concerned, are there any advantages or disadvantages with increasing the hydration? (sometimes when I go by the recipe, the dough seems stiff to me, and yes I use a scale)
- When preparing the dough for the second rise/shaping, how gentle must I be? I mean do I perform a second knead or just gently flatten out the air bubbles and then shape?
- Symptoms of a slightly under 2nd rise?
I expect others will show up to express their opinions and hopefully also help expand upon my answers, as I'm sure I'll miss a few points, but here's some thoughts.
Hopefully that was fairly clear and helpful. Feel free to ask more questions if something was unclear or piqued your interest.
I'd say cerevisiae answered your questions quite well
One major note to consider is that the majority of flavor development happens during the 1st rise (bulk fermenation) along with developing the "army" of yeast to raise the loaf. This is where we can control fermentation to develop the desired flavors. So many things manipulate this phase from the grain used, type of pre-ferment(s), amount of said pre-ferment(s), temperature of dough and handling.
This is the phase where we can gently coax more strength into the dough allowing for a more gentle initial mix.
I generally only use the word proof in terms of the final rise.
Too little bulk fermenation will give you "less flavor" while too much can compromise the flavor and texture of the dough. This is all relative to what it is you are trying to achieve I suppose.
As for degassing. Yeasted doughs i degas more thoroughly while naturally levained I'm a bit softer with. At the same time the higher the hydration the more gentle I am than with a stiffer dough.
That's my added $.02
Josh
I am a total dunce. Do I measure the flour by the grams, which is 128 grams a cup? or 4.5 ounces on my scale. Anyway, this is what I did this time for the first recipe. 3 cups flour would be 13.5 ounces of flour on my scale. I know nothing about baking and had someone talk to me about correct measurements. If I had seen the 3 cups of flour before, I would have multiplied 3 cups x 8 = 24 ounces, and I would have put that much in. I don't think that is what you had in mind for the first recipe, right?