April 1, 2009 - 9:29am
Ratio Starter to Biga Ingredient
I finally got a starter that I'm satisfied with. It's that Pineapple juice process (which works very well)
Now I need to add some of it to the biga preparation but I haven't the slightest idea of what ratio to use.
Any experienced recommendations appreciated.
I've always wondered this also... What I've been doing is weighing out about 4 oz of my starter, then add this to my Soaker or Sponge the day before making my bread.
This has worked for me. I also use some bread yeast to my loaves to help in the fermenting process during rise.
I will say that my recent SD bread hasn't had that great of SD taste and I'm not happy with my starter, so I think I'll start a new one.
I would also be interested in hearing how others weigh or measure their SD starters in their breads.
Dennis
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This is how I was taught and, in fact, what I do.
First, to be nit picky, a biga is the popular name for a firm pre-ferment using commercial yeast, so technically you will not be making a biga.
To make a pre-ferment with a sourdough culture, which I have been taught to call a firm or liquid levain (depending on the hydration):
Of course, you can make the math more complex. I certainly do, but this is a fairly accurate way to calculate how much starter to use. I did the algebra and worked up a spreadsheet that will calculate how much starter to use at any percent of starter vs pre-ferment hydration and does not require the removal of the starter. So have others and they are posted in the tools section of these pages. I thought I would explain the rationale, though
Or, you can just use a good, existing recipe...
Hope this helps.
Wow!! That's the kind of help I was hoping for.
Your information was complete enough for me to develop a spread sheet (I hate doing pencil and paper math any more) and I thank you for the details. What I truly enjoy about this forum is that no matter what challenge I come up against as a newly obsessed bread maker, there is always someone in the group who can help me advance.
You are absolutely correct; my starter hydration is precisely 100%.
I'm new to this bread making thing and I'm not sure about "biga", "pre-ferment" and other unique terms associated with this culinary craft. All I know is if I yell "fire" in my neighborhood (I live in the forest) my neighbors don't wait for me to define it beyond that general term. Inferno, conflagration, etc. are unnecessary descriptors as long as the message received generates the life saving response to run like hell. Don't misinterpret my comments here as "snarky"; they're not intended to be. Your explanation of the various terms is helpful and I am now energized to research the terms so I can more clearly describe my circumstances when I have an issue with the making of bread.
Bread making terms fly fast and loose, it seems. I work in a field where it is important to be precise in one's terms, so to preserve my sanity I keep my bread baking terms precise. I find it easier to describe things as what they are (pre-ferment is always a portion of the flour fermented before the complete dough is mixed. 100% hydration pre-ferment with commercial yeast tells me exactly what the thing is. Sponge, biga, poolish - not so much. You catch my drift...)
Hope your spreadsheet works well for you. What I liked about understanding this method is that I can bake a recipe, evaluate it, and then decide what factor to change (% of pre-fermented flour, total hydration, etc.) to get the bread to my taste. Baker's math changed my baking life. I wish I had learned it sooner...
Happy Baking!
Ditto, proth5, the baker's percentages I read about was the turning point for me in making bread that was at least fit for human consumption. Prior my introduction to these I made some pretty good bricks but not much in the way of good bread.
I am an incurable OC (I seem to control it better as I get older) with a willingness to accept failure only if I have learned something from it. So bread making was frustrating for me until baker's percentages and a notebook to keep track of what I did differently each time and the result it produced increasing better results.
I spent some time in quality control with an electronics manufacturing company, making controls for the space shuttle, missile defense systems, etc., so my professional exposure to accuracy may be similar to yours. Your approach to the preferment using sourdough starter is helpful. Thanks again...
Thanks for that proth5 ..I was puzzling over innoculation percentage, your post cleared that up :)