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Random thoughts about kitchen equipment, Norwich Sourdough, diastatic malt and sourdough starter....

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Random thoughts about kitchen equipment, Norwich Sourdough, diastatic malt and sourdough starter....

Well, I went a little crazy with kitchen equipment over the past couple of weeks. I finally found myself a pizza stone (two actually), as well as proofing baskets, and a mixer! Yes i went crazy! And you have no idea how hard some of it was to find... I ended up getting the pizza stones while I was in Amsterdam on business! At an amazing kitchen store called Duikelman, if you ever visit Amsterdam and want to see a *really* nice kitchen goods store its worth the visit. Right alongside the museums and art galleries and other tourist attractions. ;-) But then I had to lug them on the train back to Germany! I really wasn't able to find a single store in my home town that sold them. Same went with the baskets actually, so i got myself a nice one for proofing boules at Duikelman but then of course once I got it I found a *really* cheap place to buy them close to home. After searching all kinds of place I finally found them in Metro (a wholesaler) of all places. With a bit of linen cloth I MacGyver'ed myself a couple of nice little proofing baskets.

All told this bread thing has set me back some nice dough (heh) in terms of proper equipment, but its fun, and my kitchen is the better off for it. The mixer is actually one of these multipurpose jobos that will come in useful in all sorts of ways. I cant count the number of times Ive skipped a recipe because making it without proper tools would just be too time consuming. Anyway, thats the way I'm justifying the purchase to myself when I start feeling guilty. :-)

The mixer is a big deal for me. Having used it only once, to make Norwich Sourdough, its already pretty clear that it will totally change making bread for me, making it easier to do right with much less mess. The pizza stone seems to have had some effect, but im not sure how much, possibly I havent heated it up long enough first, I want to test more.

Anyway, about Norwich Sourdough.. The Norwich Sourdough I did as my inaugeral attempt with the mixer was easily the nicest sourdough ive managed to do so far. Perfect shape and rise, beautiful crumb and crust, and very easy to follow directions. One of these days Ill get myself set up to post pictures :-)

I would heartily recommend my fellow novice bakers to try the Norwich Sourdough recipe. It worked out great for me! So good im going to try it again after I finish this post. :-) One thing she doesnt include is a formula but instead only the recipe. Of course thats pretty easy to calculate from here recipe. Here it is:

%75 : 900 flour
%10 : 120 rye
%50 : 600 water
%30 : 360 starter 1:1
%1.92 : 23g NaCl

Flour = 900 + 120 + (360/2) = 1200
Water = 600 + (360/2) = 780

Hydration = 780/1200 = %65
Total = Flour + Water + NaCL = 2003g

Do look at the original page tho. The author has some important instructions there that you should read, and frankly the blog is worthy of a bookmark for any baker's browser. The author has lots of nice recipes and good style and touch for explaining a recipe. I think her site is great.

The other interesting thing Ive learned recently regarded diastatic malt. I fed a bit to my starter to give a it a bit of a kick last night when I was doubling it for todays Norwich Sourdough recipe. It went crazy! Instead of just doubling it trippled or more. Just insane. Maybe i used too much. But obviously the sourdough *really* liked it. :-) I think if you think your sourdough is sluggish a little dose of diastatic malt might be the thing to perk it up. So to speak :-)

Actually, since my last blog my starter situation has changed somewhat, and I guess I could stabilized. I got annoyed at maintaining two starters and mixed them together. The result is quite nice, no issues there, and since I dont need to keep two cultures separate anymore I have a free jar, so ive started a process of swapping.

Each day I feed it in its current jar, and then afterwards pour it into the new jar and put the old jar in the dishwasher for cleaning. That way no splatters or mess gets on the side of the new jar. I then use a piece of tape on the jar to mark how full the jar was post mixing, and then observe over the next 24 hours what happens, marking the highpoint (as shown by streaks on the glass or direct observation) also. Doing this over a few weeks Ive come to know the behaviour of my starter pretty well. It definitely has the capability of doubling or more in under 24 hours (more like 12) and it often appears to more than double. This says to me my starter is alive and well. Yay!



Janedo's picture

A mixer is always a good purchase whether you make bread or not. I couldn't imagine making cookies or certain cakes without it, never mind the best whipping crea or meringues. But, yes it can set you back when you buy a good one. It's a wise investment. I don't actually use it any more for bread, except rarely, but it still runs very often.

Have you looked at the Amazon site for kitchen stuff? I've bought a few handy tools, like my dough cutter and my thermometer. Where I live, we don't have all those cool American gadgets, either.

The Netherlands is a great place to find ingredients and kitchen stuff. I have a friend who bought a load of stuff there recently. Too far for me unfortunately.


Paddyscake's picture

Susan is a frequent poster here on TFL. She makes really beautiful bread and has plenty of good advice.

susanfnp's picture

 Yves, I'm glad you had such good luck with the Norwich Sourdough. It is an adaptation of Jeff Hamelman's Vermont Sourdough and still my favorite all-around sourdough recipe. We love photos here so I hope you get youself set up for that soon!


yves's picture

Meant to do so in reply to you, but messed it up. So this is just a heads up that i posted them in reply to my orginal post. Thanks a lot for the recipe it rocks. The first two batches i did the direct to bake method, the third try (the main pictures) was done with an overnight stay in the fridge.

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BTW Susan, on my thrid try I did one minor departure from your recipe, I put a teaspoon of distatic malt in with the flour. I think that this did something nice to the crust as its a bit flakier and chewier than the previous batches i did. Although of course it could just be that my technique is improving. Hope so anyway. :- Or both i guess.

Also, ive been using a 1kilo flour formula (as my mixer claims its only good for 1kilo of flour + additional ingredients). This means its 750g Flour, 100g Rye, 300G starter and 500g water. Very convenient numbers :-)

Cheers, and thanks again. 



LindyD's picture

Very much agree that Hamelman's Vermont sourdough is quite terrific; we did a group bake at TFL not too long ago.

I especially like the recipe because it's a dough that is retarded overnight then baked the next day. Very easy for my work schedule.

Susan's adaptation looks very nice - will have to give it a try this week.

fancypantalons's picture

Your findings vis a vis diastic malt powder don't seem too surprising.  The enzymes in the malt powder break down the starches in the flour into sugars, freeing food up for easy consumption by both yeast and bacteria (the same thing happens in commercially yeasted doughs... the diastic malt helps the rise by freeing sugars up).

yves's picture

Mostly i was surprised by the "violence" of the reaction. I figured it would give a kick but not that much.

yves's picture

Two loaves from my second try, with one from my first.

Third try before scoring:

Third try scored. (I did it a bit differently from suggested)

Added some poppy seed for effect:

Just out of the oven


Crust up close. You can see the blistering. The crust is awesome.

And sliced up to see the crumb:

Janedo's picture

Those do look great!


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Mini Oven

I like the way you keep your scoring open!   Neat effect! 

Mini O