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10/15kg spiral mixer -- FAMAG?? SUNMIX??

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deuxcv

10/15kg spiral mixer -- FAMAG?? SUNMIX??

do any y’all have a home+ size spiral mixer? i just got a giant (80kilo) spiral mixer at work (pizzeria) which has me jonesing for one at home. it has made such a big improvement in our pizza dough over our now dead (after 45 years and 1,000,000 pounds of dough) hobart.

for my home baking i currently usually make 8kg batches most weekends,mostly to give to friends. limited largely by oven capacity.

key features for me are 2 or more speeds, 10-15kg dough capacity, countertop depth (less than 24"), breaker bar, single phase, 110 or 220v, tilt head & removable bowl would be nice..

there doesn’t seem to be much choice in home sized spirals and i’ve narrowed it down to a sunmix (10kg or 15kg) -or- famag (10kg) with a tilting head and removable bowl.

the sunmix seems to be considered a better brand with a loyal following at bakerybits.co.uk and comes in a 15kg size which would give me some upward capacity if i ever wanted to scale up a little bit. it also comes in fun colors.

the famag is a little harder to get as there aren’t many willing to send to usa. the main advantage to this is that it has a tilting head and removable bowl. their biggest “home” model is 10kg

both are 220v with variable speed. both are roughly the same cost.

other brands i have looked at and decided against for variety of reasons are... rofco, bakkerijwerld, haussler, hakka, tmb, macanosud, and prob others.

i'm leaning ever so slightly toward the the famag because of the ease of tilting head and capacity that having 2 bowls affords. but havent found much feedback on them. would love your thoughts and/or experiences with these or other choices. HELP ME DECIDE!!

(all kg’s mentioned here are in relation to finished dough capacity, not dry flour)

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albacore

I have a Famag Grilletta IM5 - the smallest one you can buy. It's a basic model with fixed bowl and one speed - although I have hacked it to make it multi-speed.

I've had it just over a year and I'm very pleased with it. Construction is pretty simple but solid and robust, with chain drive and a cap start induction motor, so should be easy to fix if it ever goes wrong.

I'd certainly recommend Famag on this basis. Whether it's any better or worse than Sunmix, I can't say - they may be very similar inside.

Lance

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deuxcv

thanks. hope i can get my order in before august summer vacation closure.

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mdotpasq

Hi guys.

Looking for a bit of advice and help here if poss..

I am about to purchase my first ever spiral mixer here in the UK. I'll just be making pasta dough with semola flour and 45% hydration and possibly a few breads with the same flour if I get adventurous.

I would love the Sunmix. It looks beautiful and perfect for my needs, but it's really pricey.

I'm intrigued to know your experiences with the FAMAG? I was considering buying the IM10 single speed.. Is it a good machine?
Do I need the multi speeds? 
I'm also intrigued by the mod to make it multi speed, how simple is that? The price difference between the single and multi is about £200!

Thanks in advance,

Marco

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albacore

Hi Marco, I haven't really got much more to add than what I posted above.

My IM5 is still working fine! You do get a 3 year warranty on the Famags, which is reassuring - don't know about the Sunmix.

Multiple speeds are a nice to have, not a necessity. I think the single spiral speed on the IM5 is 135rpm, so you'd just have to keep an eye on initial mixing time as gluten will start to develop quite quickly at this speed (I'm talking bread dough here).

In a previous life, I used to be an electronics technician and I wouldn't recommend anyone without that kind of knowledge try to make their mixer multi-speed. Besides, my solution uses an outboard single phase VFD - an exotic and expensive device if bought new.

Lance

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mdotpasq

Cheers Lance,

I ended up taking the plunge and bought the single speed IM 10.
I emailed Famag and they recommended the single speed for what I want to do.

I dabble a bit with electronics.. Mainly audio electronics though.. I was thinking of putting a variac in front of it but that would provably not do that much..

I'll see how I get on at single speed. Hopefully the unit will arrive next week so I'll keep this thread posted!

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albacore

It's an induction motor, Marco; speed cannot be varied with voltage, you need to alter the frequency.

http://www.invertekdrives.com/variable-speed-drives/optidrive-e2-single-phase/

Let us know how you like the IM10! Are you getting it from Agrieuro?

Lance

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mdotpasq

Ahh.. Sounds like something I'd mess up haha.

I will let you know. Yeah Agrieuro, I did contact Famag direct but they directed me their way.

Hopefully it's gonna be great for the dough I'm making. I like that it's compact but can do up to 10kg.. I'm going to rwally put it through its paces and report back!

 

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deuxcv

i too took the plunge. ordered the 10kg with tilt head and variable speed and an extra bowl. ordered from allforfoods.com . have only given it a few workouts but am happy with my decision. famag and allforfoods we both a pleasure to deal with. famag saw that it was going overseas and included an extra belt and bearings set, i guess common wear parts. i thought that was very thoughtful. the mixer is pretty darn ugly, looks like it was designed by an industrial mechanic with no concern for aesthetics. that's not a problem as it does it's job well, but it does sit on my counter so aesthetically would have preferred the sunmix. other gipe is the controls are a bit underthought. the speed dial is tiny, a bit difficult to "dial in" the speed. a bigger and easier to read dial with incremental stops would definitely been nice. for geeks out there the bowl to hook rotation ratio is 1:8. i saw on some sunmix video folks were tinkering with that ratio, but i'm not well versed in mixer use to know the benefit of what that would be, but figure someone out there would be interested in the stock ratio.