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Almost Purely Rye Sourdough

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pstros

Almost Purely Rye Sourdough

This is upgraded recipe for Purely Rye Sourdough from the book Brilliant Bread by James Morton. This is pretty nice loaf packed full of great flavor and really rich in taste. It goes very well with some fruit on it as a healthy afternoon snack! Scroll down for a photos...

Recipe:
400g Wholemeal Rye Flour
300g Water
200g Sourdough Starter
100g Cooked Rye Grains
40g Honey
10g Salt

1. Mix together all ingredients into wet dough and leave to rest for 30 minutes;
2. Knead well for 20-30 minutes by hand, the best is slap and fold method, but use the method you like until gluten is well developed and dough is nicely sticky and coherent;
3. Cover the bowl and rest for 12 hours at room temperature. Dough should rise a little or nearly double in size;
4. Turn it out on to a heavily floured surface and shape it into a loaf tin shape. Move to well greased tin, spray the surface with water and cover to proof for 3-6 hours at room temperature or until double in size. Keep an eye on it and regulary spray with the water. Dough must remain nicely wet all the time during this proof;
5. Preheat the oven with baking tray inside at 240C at least 30 minutes before baking;
6. Slide the tin on the preheated baking tray and bake for about 30 minutes until the top is nicely brown in colour. Keep an eye on it and steam regulary with fresh water. It is the best to spray the top of the bread every 2-3 minute and keep it constantly wet for the first 15 minutes of baking. When the top is nicely brown, remove from the oven and bash out of the tin. Replace the bread on the baking tray and bake for another 20-30 minutes until a dark brown colour;
7. Immediately after baking place the loaf on cooling rack and properly greas it all over with sunflower or rapeseed oil. When the bread is completely cooled down to room temperature, wrap it to the baking sheet and leave to rest about 24 hours at room temperature;
8. Take the wrapped loaf, pack to the plastic bag and chuck it to the fridge overnight;
9. Slice with pretty sharp knife (but not serrated!!!) and ENJOY!
10. Store well packed in the fridge.

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My sourdough starter is 100% Hydration, contains 50% basic white bread flour and 50% wholemeal rye flour. Feeded on regulary basis at 12 hours intervals. I am usually using it after 5-8 hours after the last feeding.

 

 

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dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

of 100% rye bread.  Well done.  Lucy would want to pumpernickel that one:-)

Happy Baking

Floydm's picture
Floydm

Wow, that is a lovely one.  Well done.

sandydog's picture
sandydog

Nice looking loaf pstros - I can almost feel my health improving just looking at it.

Have you tried making this bread using 100% rye flour, and if so what difference does it make?

Brian

 

pstros's picture
pstros

I think it is healthy with some ricotta cheese on it too! :-) I have not tried to make it with 100% wholemeal rye starter yet because currently I am running just this one starter as I feel it is slightly more versatile with 50% basic white flour. I am using it for all my breads including challahs and sweet breads.

But once I try it with 100% wholemeal rye starter I will post an update.

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nicodvb

there's one thing I really don't understand. Do you really mean that an almost 100% rye dough should be kneaded for 20-30 minutes using stretch and fold to develop gluten? I tried several times many years ago (when I began to use rye flour) but the only thing I could get "kneading" rye for so long was pudding! The more I kneaded the more the dough liquified.

pstros's picture
pstros

...the method I suggested above in the recipe is "slap and fold". This method is popular thanks to Richard Bertinet and it works really great for that kind of dough. I much more prefer about 10-15 minutes of "slap and fold" and continue about 10 minutes of simple folding the dough in the bowl until I feel the right consistency.

I feel that strech and fold method is just insufficient for rich rye doughs.

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

flour is moistened.  No slapping or kneading.  try it.

Docking helps prevent roof separation.  

pstros's picture
pstros

This method I have tried few times but its crumb was always fluffy, weak and fragile in some strange way. And the fact is that I like working with dough and kneading is my favourite exercise :-)

On Docking: I do not like to slash/score these types of bread. I am just steaming more frequently and spraying the top of bread massively during the first 15 minutes of baking.

Thanks for your tips and have a nice day!

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

What is actually happening with all the beating/slapping of 90% rye dough?  

Slapping "dry" or "wet"  and I suppose the bench scraper is in one hand?  

pstros's picture
pstros

During the kneading I just see and feel gluten development. At the start there is just some odd mass and when I finish I have fine thick paste-like dough. I must feel the structure. Next time I will try to do a photo. Bench scraper near hands is necessary while beating it.

Mebake's picture
Mebake

Lovely attractive loaf for 100% rye!

As Nico and mini have noted, how would you slap and fold a clay-like dough such as yours? was it whole grain rye flour or light/ medium rye flour. Any how, all rye doughs have very little gluten to be developed , and when overmixed they risk breaking down.

All the best,

Khalid

Mebake's picture
Mebake

How would you slap and fold a clay like dough such as this one? is thd rye flour whole, or medium/ light?

thanks for sharing 

Khalid

pstros's picture
pstros

Hi Khalid, the flour used in the recipe is fine milled wholemeal rye flour from Czech Republic. Yes, with almost 100% rye dough is slap and fold method true challange but it wants just a little practice. It is a good exercise for the body!

hungryscholar's picture
hungryscholar

I love the crust color (and apples too.) And I'm also intrigued by the different approaches to wrangling high percentage rye breads. Usually the best I can manage shaping was is pouring it into a bread pan.

PetraR's picture
PetraR

It is a good looking loaf, well done.

Making Rye bread is not an easy task.

I just have one in the Oven and wonder how it will turn out.

I did not do the Slap and fold method, I kneaded it well though I made a 50/50 rye bread.

50% Rye and 50% Bread Flour.

I shall try your recipe next time.

clazar123's picture
clazar123

 Is this 100g of the already cooked grains? Or 100g of dry rye grains before cooking? How do the 100g cooked Rye Grains count towards the flour?

400g whole meal rye flour+ 100g flour (in 100% hydration starter) = 500g flour total.

Lovely loaf! I do notice there is a difference when handling high percentage rye dough where it seems more formed but I don't think it is gluten as much as it is the starchy gel and less grittiness. Perhaps all the particles of flour are suitably hydrated and it just feels a bit smoother. There was a baker on this site a few years ago that formed her whole wheat dough in the pan and then poured whey (left over from kefir) into the pan until it just covered the dough. When she baked it, the liquid evaporated and she had a shiny crusted,dark brown loaf with no steaming needed. I will have to try that someday.

 

pstros's picture
pstros

Thank you for your comment! The weight of rye grains is measured after it was cooked. So its weight include also some water absorved by grains during cooking.

200g of my starter contains 100g of water, 50g white bread flour and 50g organic wholemeal rye flour. Plus the recipe asks for another 400g wholemeal rye flour and 300g water. So in the finished dough we have overall 500g FLOUR and 400g WATER.

Thank you for the tip on kefir using, it looks like I should try it someday!

kolobezka's picture
kolobezka

Could you specify the brand of the flour you used? 

Though your photos look really beautiful, I don't really understand your method (as others already mentioned above). Not only the kneading time, but mainly 12 + 3-6 hour rise at room temperature with 20% prefermented flour. Your starter must be super slow (?)

pstros's picture
pstros

Hello kolobezka,

The flour used for this recipe was by Pro-Bio brand and labelled as Wholemeal Rye fine flour (Celozrnná mouka žitná). To the subject of my time shedule: First fermentation is about 12 hours because we are developing unique  flavour profile. Accoding to A. Whitley book where he is mentioning that wholemeal rye should be fermenting for about 16 hours or so. My primary goal within bread making is flavour. This means, that during making 100% rye bread to develop flavour profile is far more important than dough rising state (this applies on fermentation - first rise).

Kneading: Dough was kneaded by "Slap and Fold" method for about 20-30 minutes. This is pretty nice excercise and cardio work out for me :-) You can find a lot of videos on YouTube on this kneading method if interested. But there is a lot of people which thinks that rye does not need kneading at all. So try what you like.