Any recommendations for a good site for grains and/or flours (other than KA which I'm aware of for flour)?
The least expensive is probably going to be Wal-Mart.com, if you are not going for organic.
If you are looking for Organic Wheat Berries, definitely look on Amazon.com, particularly if you are a prime member (30 Day Free Trial) which saves a few bucks on shipping. Also, Breadtopia offers what looks like competitive pricing on grains.
There's Weisenberger Mills if you're located not too far from that state as s&h rapidly mounts.
Just a note.
...btw soft and hard wheat berries in the final product????
If you're milling the wheat berries for bread flour to make bread or rolls, then hard wheat is preferrable, as it develops more gluten during kneading and bulk rise. Whole wheat flour from soft wheat does not give as good a rise and has a tendency to collapse during baking since the gluten structure is not strong enough.
If you want to mill whole wheat flour for biscuits, quick breads, pastry or cookies, then soft wheat is the better choice, precisely because it does not develop as much gluten and you want a lower gluten flour for these types of baked goods.
If you're cracking whole wheat to use as a soaker in a multigrain loaf, I'd go with soft wheat, as it will absorb the soaker water better and possibly a little quicker (especially if you use boiling water for your soaker).
I also prefer using soft wheat for flour when making chapaptis, but here you can do with some experimentation to see what works best for you.
are Honeyville Food and Heartland Mill.
Honeyville Food offers a good price on a 50 pound bag of organic hard red winter wheat. I think it came to $1.09 a pound (plus shipping) vs. 1.24 a pound at amazon (for a 25 pound bag, shipping included).
I don't think I would want that much flour delivered at once though.
I appreciate the leads. However, excluding one, I could not find a site with a variety of grain to buy :(
I have bought from several but the lowest prices, including shipping were with Azure Standard (http://www.azurestandard.com) and BPSF (http://www.internet-grocer.net). Lately though, the price of wheat is kind of high.
Azurestandard appears to have great pricing, if you don't have to pay for shipping. Shipping a 5 pound bag of wheat berries to the east coast quadruples the price. And if you order a 50lb bag, you have to call customer service to find out what it costs to ship.
I did not see wheat berries being sold at the internet-grocer -- maybe they just sell the flour?
So far, Amazon seems to give the best overall pricing if you require product to be shipped, and it is cheaper than picking up wheat berries at whole foods, at least here in NY.
for everything that they have in stock.
This link is for red wheat. They have a search box and you can type in what you're looking for.
Azure Standard charged about 8%, give or take a bit, for the shipping. They have routes across the country and you can sign up and find the closest to you. I had two drops within 25 miles of my place to choose from. When the truck arrives, everyone helps unload it. It goes real quick and the low shipping was a blessing.
Not sure how my search came up dry earlier. The price of shipping at internet grocer doubles the bill and makes it too costly.
Drop point shipping at 8% would be awesome but I don't have a schedule flexible enough. Maybe if I worked at home or has no children. :)
Do people buy organic and if so would you buy their natural chemical free stuff? In some ways that seems like it would be better since organic does not mean pesticide free. But who checks the product if it is not certified? (I do not know who checks the organic stuff but assume something us done to verify?)
40 pound bucket with gamma lid for $49.99 (shipping included). While supplies last through June 1.
Honeyville's Organic Hard Red Wheat comes from specially selected varieties of winter wheat known for its storage and baking qualities. Low in moisture, high in protein, Honeyville guarantees our Hard Red Wheat to be below 10% in moisture and higher than 12% protein. Honeyville's special triple cleaning process produces the highest quality Hard Red Wheat available to consumers for many uses. It's 100% natural and certified organic, making this wheat healthy, tasty and fresh. Honeyville Organic Hard Red Wheat is an ideal product for long term food storage.
That comes to 1.25 a pound, which is a very good price, considering it ships with the gamma seal lid.
You might want to check out local health food stores - we have an organic food store that lets you special order 25 and 50 bags of berries. I have also heard you can go through the Church of the Later Day Saints Coop - but haven't tried it myself.
Red Hill General Store has a decent price and decent shipping rate for the Wheat Montana Organic Prairie Gold Hard Spring Wheat Berries.
I ordered the 50 pound sack delivered to New York for just under $70. Came to $1.40 a pound. It is a lot of wheat and I probably won't open it until I've freed up my 40 pound bucket. Then again, maybe it is time to buy a second bucket.
Edited: The product arrived in a box that was banded with the white plastic straps and well taped. However, there were wheat berries on the outside of the box caught in the tape and spaces in the packaging. Because the box was not damaged, I hoped it was just a few stray seeds from the packaging facility. Unfortunately, it turns out that the 50 pound sack was not completely sewn. Either it was packed that way or it came undone in transit. The result was a lot of wheat berries were out of the bag. But that was not the worst of it... they did not ship me the organic prairie gold, but the non-organic "natural and "chemical free" version.
I inquired about this and was told that they no longer carried the organic version and this is what they were shipping as a substitute. Not cool to send someone 50 pounds of substitute grain without asking them if that is what they want and if they want to pay the same price for it.
I did a search and found only two complaints about the company so I assume this may have been a fluke. They offered to refund or replace the product (I guess, with one that is not opened), and I am waiting to hear back from them about whether they want me to ship it back to them (at their cost, with them providing me a label so I can schedule a UPS pickup from at my house). I'll give them a day or two more to get back to me and then dispute the charge with the credit card company if they don't come through.
And... they came through as well as one can expect from an honest company, refunding the purchase price and letting me keep the unwanted grain. So I would use these folks again to buy something else as the need arises.
I am local to this amazing organic mill so I have no need to purchase online, but they do sell online. I bake all my breads with this brand.
I buy from a few sources and try to stick with organic. After all, price ain't everything, right? Not where my family is concerned. Anyway, these are the companies I have been buying flour and grains from in no particular order. Oh, and I try to stick with heirloom grains as much as possible. http://carolinaground.com/http://daisyflour.com/index.phphttps://jovialfoods.com/shop/einkorn/flour.htmlhttp://goodearthmill.com/shop/
They have the 40 pound bucket of organic red hard berries with gamma seal lid on sale again. $10 off ($54.9 /$1.37 a pound). It's a great bucket and lid and the Honeywell grain is nice and clean.
Free Shipping on orders over $50.......works out to .59/lb
I have used both the Hard White and Hard Red with fine results.
Red Fife from Breadtopia......very reasonable with shipping