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stand or spiral mixer, must pick one cant afford both please help

bigronda's picture
bigronda

stand or spiral mixer, must pick one cant afford both please help

hello, i wish to open a cafe in a number of months and to do the baking of cakes/muffins/some breads myself. I have only
a little baking experience but am working night and day practicing to improve with every book/dvd i can get.

I really would like to move to a proper planetary mixer as hand kneading, while a good skill to develop, is slowing me down.
The catch is that a decent one will set me back about €380 while I can buy a floor standing spiral mixer for €680 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-21-LITRE-SPIRAL-DOUGH-MIXER-VAT-inc-price-/270799712861?pt=UK_BOI_Restaurant_RL&hash=item3f0cebb25d). The first would be more practical for learning but would become redundant for a cafe and I think buying both would be foolish and i have to mind the cash I have. Would it be feasible to practice with a spiral mixer, whats the minimum amount of dough that could be mixed in a 20l/8kg mixer like this one?

Any suggestions or help would be very much appreciated, or comments on spiral mixers in general and what to watch out for when buying one.

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proth5

determine if you are willing to buy a mixer that will mix only bread products - or if you will be mixing other things like cakes, quickbreads, cookies, etc - or anything that will require creaming butter and sugar.

Then consider that a spiral will mix bread and bread like doughs.  Not cakes, not egg whites, not most cookies.  It will do a superior job for bread, but that is it.

Then consider that with the proper sizing, dough hook shape,  and power, one can mix bread in a planetary mixer.  It will not mix as fast and you must be careful to put the liquid in first and make other mixing compromises, but it will mix bread.  I know of bread bakers who use planetary mixers with great success.

Then pick the mixer to meet your needs. 

Some smaller spirals do not have a reverse or a proper breaker bar - these are things you will want if you buy a spiral.

Best wishes.

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mimifix

Have you ever worked in a bakery or cafe; or other food service? (A place similar to the type of business you want to own.) If not, I suggest you get that kind of experience which will be invaluable for the success of your own business. Good luck!

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bigronda

Your a gent Ron, thats great info to have. Its an extra 100stg for the 30 quart, money well spent perhaps?

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ehanner

bigronda,

I don't think you can make an informed decision until you know what specific products you want to bake. Unfortunately a big spiral mixer sized for your projected output is an essential purchase. That said, if you are looking at producing 3 dozen muffins each morning with occasional frosting, a much smaller mixer will do, one that also has a whisk. I know bakery operations that have produced 200 loaves a day without a big mixer, strictly by hand. It isn't the kneading you need, it is the mixing, stretching and folding tubs. The S&F isn't time consuming, it isn't hard and it produces great Artisan style breads. I would say, first satisfy your pastry needs, sweet breads, muffins, and gnash, whipped toppings and such.You can always spend the money later if you see a need for a HD dough mixer.

Eric