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Why does it suck to work?

saumhain's picture

Why does it suck to work?

Well, actually, I do love my new job. It's not as boring as the previous one and so much better than studying @ uni (at least my uni). But it has like two major drawbacks: firstly, we are not allowed to wear jeans in the office, and the second, which is really depressing - I have practically no time to bake bread!!!

I leave to work at 8 in the morning at the latest, and get back at 7 if I am really lucky. Of course, I still can bake yeasted breads, but it's not possible to bake sourdough breads... And it's such a shame, 'cause it took me a while (three failed attempts)  to raise a new starter after I've arrived from Austria, and I baked only 3 or four sourdough breads ever since. I do hope that when it gets a bit colder in our flat my starter won't ripen in 5 hours and I would then prepare pre-ferment early in the morning and bake when I come back home. For now I can bake only during weekend.

Last week I baked Hamelman's 5 Grain Levain. Oh yes one (of many))) precious present from Austria - Hamelman's "Bread", which I have been exploring and studying for 2 months already and continue to do so. I really enjoyed this bread, it was really good and tasty even after a week or so, although it became a bit sour.

The same weekend I tried to bake 40% Rye with Caraway (I was tempted by its variation, which Hamelman suggests - Salzstangerl - delicious salt sticks sprinkled also with bit of caraway, which I bought quite often in Austria). But it was a complete fail. Honestly, I had never failed with sourdough before; this time, however, I followed measurements and instructions precisely, but the dough was... Well, strictly speaking, it was not even dough - it was more like muffin batter, obviously with no sign of gluten. I mixed it, got scared by its consistence and then left it for 20 minutes or so, hoping in vain that the flour will absorb water by this time. But since it never happened and I was feeling completely desperate, I just threw it all away. May be someone had the same issue with this recipe? If not, I'd love to learn what could possibly go wrong, any suggestions are appreciated, since I have absolutely no clue.

This Saturday I baked yet another rye bread by Hamelman, this time with much more success. I have chosen his Flaxseed Rye, published in Modern Baking in March 2009. Both dmsnyder (which measurements I used) and hansjoakim had lovely interpretations of this bread, which I liked a lot. Besides it includes "altus" (bread soaker) and I always wanted to taste bread made with it. So, what can I say? Yet again the dough was wetter that I expected, even though I cut down 44 grams of water from the final dough!!! It was also proving a lot less, since I've told already, it's really hot at my place. The final result was still amazing - despite the relative small percentage of rye, it tastes like a real rye bread, goes well with almost anything. Stores good too. I am really satisfied with the result but I keep on wondering what kind of flour is there in America that Hamelman uses, which requires so much water??



noonesperfect's picture

Hamelman works with King Arthur flours, which have high protein content, even for a US flour.  Protein absorbs something like 20 times as much water as starch, so you end up using significantly more liquid than you would with a softer flour.  Pretty much every all-purpose or bread flour in the US has higher protein levels than you would see in the rest of the world, not because that is necessarily better, but because someone convinced us it was.

You are definitely doing the right thing - let the dough tell you how much liquid it needs.



pmccool's picture

but I'm up at 4:30 a.m., leave the house at 5:15 a.m. and am also lucky to get home before 7:00 p.m.  However, there is time for baking sourdough even when I have to spend 14 hours at the office on a Saturday, as I did last weekend. 

The key seems to be a combination of desire and time management.  I want to bake, far more than I want to do a number of other things that could consume my time.  And I've learned how to stage the builds and the dough and the bakes to fit around the other things that I must, or want, to do during the weekend.  Depending on what else is on the list, I may bake on Saturday or I may bake on Sunday.  Unless I'm out of town, I do bake.

Baking on weeknights is absolutely out, for me.  The late arrival at home, dinner, time with my wife, tending to the mundane but essential tasks, and even relaxing a little chew up all of the 2 to 2.5 hours I have before hitting the hay at 9:30.

Best of luck with the rye.  It is a different thing than wheat, that's for sure.  I've been playing around with 80-100% ryes recently and there is just no comparison to a wheat dough.  The more accurate descriptor would be paste, not dough, in the case of rye.  Still, once you learn how it behaves, it makes wonderfully delicious bread.  If practice makes perfect, I have a lot more practicing to do.


Minnesota Crust's picture
Minnesota Crust

Working is a blessing. I thank God everyday that I have the ability to work and that I have a job that allows me to pay my bills. I work 60 plus hours a week and I love to bake. It's my way of unwinding. I figure since I have so much free time I am going to start a not for profit bakery and make bread for those who do not have a job.


My suggestion is to focus on good things and what you have verses negative things and what you do not have. It's the have nots that ruin what you have. 


God Bless ><>



JavaGuy's picture

I agree, work is a blessing, but I would prefer to be a little less blessed.

rossnroller's picture

Actually, for me work is a curse...the pay is the blessing! O to be in the position of those who have answered a true calling, for whom work is full of meaning, stimulating, something they'd do even without being paid! They're the ones for whom work really is a blessing!

And yeah, I know we all make our choices and are responsible for where we are blah blah...but not all of us end up making the right ones, and for some 'choice' is illusory. Not in my's my fault I'm not thriving in a wonderful career, but that doesn't mean I can't have a whinge from time to time!

Thank the lawd for baking, food, music, movies, literature and good friends...and good family if you are one of those fortunates who can claim such an asset.

Best of baking to ya folks!

PS: Like PMcCool, I think you can manage your SD baking around a busy schedule. Retarding in the fridge to extend fermentation is the key, for me at least.

MadAboutB8's picture

I love baking bread. I don't love my job either but at least I don't hate it.

I feel blessed that I've discovered bread baking. It is such a good hobby that gives me satisfaction and make my work even more pleasant as a result of having a fullfilled hobby.

I find that baking sourdough bread can fit in with the working schedule quite nicely. My schedule is usually like this.....

Day 1: AM - making liquid levain before leaving for work

Day 1: PM - mixing the final dough, shape and retard the dough overnight  in the fridge (could take about 3 hrs)

Day 2: either AM or PM - take off the dough from the fridge and let it sit at the room temp for about an hour or two while the oven is getting pre-heated (take about 2 hrs, including baking time).


ericb's picture

I have a similar problem with scheduling. We have so much going on that I cannot justify blocking out hours of my evening to bake bread. So, I borrowed from the "Five Minutes a Day" book and applied their method to sourdough bread. 

The trick is increased hydration, minimal kneading, and extended, low-temperature fermentation. This combination allows you to pull dough from the fridge and bake almost immediately without multiple rises, proofing, etc.

When mixing the final dough, increase the hydration so that the dough is just wet enough that it would be difficult to knead. Cover the dough (I use a plastic bowl with lid) and store it in the refrigerator for at least 24 hours, and up to 48 hours (maybe longer!). When you are ready to bake, cut off chunks of dough and form quickly into boules. Place them directly on parchment paper, dust with flour, and cover. Turn on your oven. When the oven reaches temperature, score and load the dough.


spacey's picture

Here's my sourdough schedule:

Getting home (either 7:00pm or 9:00pm, depending on whether I have to work late or whether i can exerecise... or not) make some dough.  Flour, salt, water starter.  Put it in the proofer, feed the starter.

After a few hours (between 1 and 5, depending on the sourness and how tricky I want the eventual shaping to be/how dense I want the bread to be/etc.) take it out of the proofer, maybe fold in the bowl, and put it in the fridge, covered.

1-3 days later, use 1/2 or 1/3 of the dough.  Stretch and fold the whole lot, cut it in half or whatever paortion I'm using, and put it in an oiled bowl, place the bowl in very warm bath (in a (95-105 F water).  After 30 minutes, take out, stretch+fold 1x, put it back in, usually changing out the water for warmer water again.  Take out, stretch+fold again.  Then hotter water, S+F 1 more time.  Turn on the oven, shape it (either boule or batard, though my batard shaping has always been crappy) toss shaped dough in a banneton, let proof for 30 minutes or so then bake.  So by 11:00 or midnight, I've got a new loaf, and its time to let it cool, and eat it in the morning.

It turns out that this seems to be the artisan bread method, but though I've bought one of their books, in the end figuring out how to do this with sourdough hasn't really been helped by the book.