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Bosch Universal/Universal Plus users in New York City + environs

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mikeinnyc

Bosch Universal/Universal Plus users in New York City + environs

Are there any Bosch Universal users in New York City who wouldn't mind giving their thoughts to a Manhattanite who is conisdering one but can't find a place to even see these in action? videos posted by salespeople aren't too helpful - more interested in knowing versatility, etc for Manhattan-apartmennt-sized quantities of food including whipped cream + cookies. Thanks!

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Ria

But I did own a Bosch Universal...emphasis on the word "did."  I have a KitchenAid Pro 600 and also had the Bosch. To be honest. the Bosch took up way too much counter space and wasn't nearly as handy as the KA for routine tasks (whipped cream, cookies, etc). Let it be said that I have a family of 8 and I found the Bosch was only really useful when I made a double recipe of a whole grain bread. For anything else I used the KA. I sold the Bosch and have never regretted it.  I have a huge kitchen, but it wasn't worth keeping the Bosch.


Hope this helps.


Ria

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mikeinnyc

Thank you Ria for the really helpful observations - exactly the kind of information that I was after.

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rhomp2002

I live in a studio apt in Queens.  I have a Bosch Compact and recently purchased a Bosch Universal Plus. 


My experience with the Compact was totally positive.  It is light enough to pick up with one hand and move around.  Space it takes up is about 12x12 inches.  I have done about everything you can with a basic mixer and it works just fine.  I find it works beautifully for up to 3 loaves of bread, more than the KA Pro600.


I got the Universal Plus because I am now mixing bigger batches of bread dough.  This mixer is not much heavier than the Compact is, about half the weight of a KA mixer.  It takes up a little more room than the Compact and will easily mix the bread dough for 6 loaves of bread with no problem.  It will also do anything else I might want to do with a mixer.  I bought the cookie paddle option and the basic mixer.  Very satisfied with both of them. 


From what I read on the other websites they seem to last almost indefinitely.  I read just yesterday a woman who was talking about her Bosch Universal.  She was given it for a wedding present in 1978.  She and her husband raised a family of 4 kids who are now all grown and married with kids of their own.  She milled her own flour and baked 4 loaves of bread twice a week.  She is still using that same Bosch and it looks as good as new and will still mix the dough for 4 loaves of bread.  Not bad.  31 years and still chugging along just fine.  Compare and contrast with the latest KA mixers that give up the ghost if you try to mix more than 3 loaves of bread.


I would ask the other woman what about the mixer took up so much room.  I just put mine away in a cabinet when I am done and it is totally out of the way.  A lot easier to do that with a 12 lb mixer that you can pick up with one hand than with a mixer that you break your back moving.


 

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LindyD

Thanks for that info.  I wasn't aware there was a compact Bosch and after doing a quick check, saw that the price is certainly reasonable.


Did it do a good job mixing very stiff doughs?


Edited:  Never mind about the stiff doughs.  According to the Pleasant Hill Grain site, the compact Bosch mixer has been discontinued so the question is moot.

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rhomp2002

If you look around there are still some of them out there and the service is there as well.


I did a very stiff whole wheat with oats recipe and it worked just fine.  After all it is 400 watts which is more than most of the KA mixers.  I can look around if you are interested and see who still has some.  You might email Pleasant Hill Grain and see if they still have a couple around.  Great people to deal with and where I got mine.  I had no problem with still doughs at all.  My only reason for moving up to the Universal Plus was that I am now starting to make bigger batches than before.  The Compact is great for up to 3 loaves but then it is a little too small for that.


 

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rhomp2002

Check Amazon.  They still have some and there are a lot of reviews there as well.  Definitely worth checking out.

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athagan

I'm not in New York City, but I have a kitchen the size of a walk-in closet and a Bosch Universal that lives on my kitchen counter.


Which mixer you should get depends on what you want it to do for you.


I usually make from three to six loaves of home-milled whole-wheat bread dough at a time which would kill a Kitchen Aid in short order.  I've made ten pounds of dough in the Bosch and it never bogged down once.


But for cookie dough and whipped cream I'd probably give the Kitchen Aid the edge.  I have the whips and cookie paddles for the Bosch and they do work, but I find the KA bowl easier to work with.


Breadmaking is mostly what I use the mixer for though and for that the Bosch rules.


.....Alan.


 


 

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flourgirl51

I have both and use them for different things. The KA Pro is quite tall and doesn't fit under my cabinets. It also doesn't mix as thoroughly as the Bosch Universal does. The Bosch can handle much more heavy dough than the KA can and I run it all day when I bake for the market. I make as much as 50 loaves of bread in it in a day plus double batches of other things and it keeps going strong. The downside to the Bosch is the spindle in the middle of the bowl which make scraping it a pain but if I could only pick one I would pick the Bosch. It doesn't take up much counter space either and is much lighter than the KA when you move it to clean around it.

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mikeinnyc

I really appreciate the answers here. How about for smaller amounts? The bosch sounds like it's the perfect solution for 3 loaves of bread and upward, but with four speeds and that donut shaped bowl, I get the impression that the paddles would be shooting ingredients around the bowl if I don't cook in quantity. Admittedly, I do mostly bake bread but I'm also thinking about scones and the like. Flourgirl - when do you use your KA? Alan, how many people are you cooking for?


I'm trying a Cuisinart 7 quart now. Definitely has its shortcomings but is essentially a Viking motor and more powerful than the KA that I recently managed to destroy. Timer and DW safe attachments are also nice. It's completely frustrating that isn't local retailer with the Bosch in store - Pleasant Hill is great but their restocking fee is not cheap. I keep seeing myself trying to whip egg whites into soft peaks and winding up with that legendary one and a half cups of meringue ....

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athagan

I'm cooking for four.  I am perpetually over extended on time so when I bake I tend to bake large batches since it doesn't really take much more time to bake six loaves than it does to bake one if the mixer is doing the kneading.


For a single loaf I don't pull out the mixer but do it by hand.  It's only when there are two or more to be made that I go for the power equipment.  The low speed setting isn't all that fast.


.....Alan.


 


 

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mikeinnyc

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone here for the advice. Total fluke - went by Bowery Kitchen Supply in Chelsea Market and stumbled upon a lost DLX there. (can I say that I love this place?) Picked it up for a really good price and am now learning how to use it. So - for the time being at least - mixer question solved!


One other thing - I discovered that the Bosch is really popular with the Williamsburg Hasidic community for making weekly challah, there are a bunch of retail shops in Brooklyn that stock the machine. Who would have known?