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I <3 my Magic Mill Mixer

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loydb's picture
loydb

I <3 my Magic Mill Mixer

I finally got tired of making my Kitchen Aid mixer smoke, and ordered a Magic Mill DLX 2000 (Electrolux Assistent). I made a variation on the New York Deli Rye from _Breadmaker's Apprentice_ (I didn't use the onion or caraway), using 100% of a mixed rye/white flour barm instead of the sponge. Based on what I'd read online, I started with the liquid ingredients in the mixer, then added dry slowly. It did a beautiful job of kneading, I think I'm in love.


I got it from Pleasant Hill, along with 150 pounds of wheat and rye. Now I just have to wait for my Mill-Rite to get here :(


Loyd


 


 


 

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Nomadcruiser53

Congrats man. I'm looking at getting a mixer and am looking at the DXL. They say it's a real man's mixer *grunt grunt*. I have also been looking at the 1000W cuisinart. Any thoughts one way or the other?

loydb's picture
loydb

I'm pretty sure Cuisinart means "run away holding your wallet" in Italian.


I've have one too many Cuisinart appliances break to ever go that route again.


 


loyd


 

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janij

I got a dlx for Christmas and love it!!!  The people at Plaeasnt Hill Grain are very nice.  I have never ordered wheat or rye from them.  Was the price reasonable?  Quality?

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loydb

The price was pretty much identical to what I could have gotten at Wheatsville Co-Op in downtown Austin, except I didn't have to drive an hour. It was cheaper than Whole Foods and my local grocery store.


Regarding quality, I've never used whole grains before, and don't even have my mill yet (I understand it can take up to something crazy like 7 years to get a Mill-Rite actually shipped :) ), so I'm not even opening the pails until it shows up. The pails look nice, at least :)


 


 

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janij

What do they sell?  I am in Houston adn would love to get my grains closer to home.  My MIL stays in Austin 1/2 the time.  I could get her to pick stuff up for me.

loydb's picture
loydb

They had hard red and hard white wheat, and I think soft white wheat, plus rye and a bunch of other variant grains. They don't normally stock corn, but can order it.


It's a great place; if I lived 30 minutes closer, I'd use them a lot. But I rarely have 90-120 minutes to spend driving round trip...


 


 

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davidinportland

Hi there,


Thought I'd drop in my experience with Cuisinart 7 quart, 1000 watt stand mixer. I've had mine about a month and been using it around five times a week. I've made everything from small batches (pasta dough with 2 eggs, 1.25 cups of flour) all the way up to 8 cups of whole wheat, 2 cups of water, half cup of oil -- it runs like a champ, never pauses or strains, absolutely the best mixer I've had (used Bosch, many KAs). 


It has some nice perks, as well, including non-stick attachments (never thought about how nice this would be until I started using them), love the tilt back head and IT LOCKS in up position, fold feature is great, as is timer.


 


A super mixer. 


 

Nomadcruiser53's picture
Nomadcruiser53

Thanks for the report David. Nice to see the reviews of the Cuisinart aren't all bad. Dave

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handsandpaws

I had the Cuisinart for 2 days. It was able to mix small batches of bread dough. HOWEVER...it leaked oil down into the bread dough.


I wasn't thrilled about the tilting head because I have low cabinets and I had to move it each time I wanted to lift it up.


I found it quite loud as well..louder than my older KA (17 yrs old and going strong). I REALLY didn't like the deep, narrow bowl, either.


But, I was willing to try it longer...until the oil issue. When we called Cuisinart, they told us that wasn't supposed to be happening. Good enough for me!!


I only hope that my KA will be able to do the multigrain sourdough bread I started making yesterday or I have a feeling my arms are going to get a good workout. 


But the problem remains...I wanted the DLX...I still want it! Just not in the budget right now :(

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Bill Fisher

 


As an engineer I am finding it very frustrating searching for the proper stand mixer.  I would like to purchase the DLX but am afraid of the price tag, what if it doesn't work any better than my 5 quart Cuisinart? (what if my wife finds out how much I spent? :) ).


 


My 5 quart Cuisinart is about a 6 months  old, I doubt it will see its first birthday.  Nice machine, don't get me wrong, but not appropriate for whole grain bread making.  Even just the two loaves that I bake (I can tell more if anybody really cares, or needs to know).


 


Bill.

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SteveB

Bill, I have a DLX mixer that I am looking to sell:


http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/11700/dlx-assistent-mixer-sale


Feel free to contact me if you wish to learn more.


SteveB


http://www.breadcetera.com


 

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loydb

I just finished making a couple of rye/whole wheat loaves in my DLX, it handles the heavy dough (and lots of it) with no problem.


Regarding the wife, just tell her that it's cheaper than a new kitchen if the CA catches on fire (my KA has actually started smoking a couple of times on heavy loaves, which is why it got replaced).


Or, if you're a traditionalist, kill her and hide the body...


:)


 

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Bill Fisher

 


Loyd,


 What I am finding difficult is deciding if the purchase of a DLX is going to make better bread for me.


 Things I have worked out:


- I believe that the DLX has plenty of power and will mix any recipe I will make.  Nowhere have I seen that it didn't have enough power.


- I believe that the DLX will be durable.  Here I am going on faith but I have yet to see a complaint about it breaking.  And there is plenty of testimony about how long the mixer has lasted, even under heavy use.  All the other mixers have conditional testimony such as "....if used as the instructions say...." which is another way of saying it breaks easily.  Fare enough, I write specs for machines that will break if not used as instructed too but I have never seen conditional text when reading DLX reviews (durability wise that is).  I'm impressed.


 


Things that matter to me but I can't get an answer that satisfies me:


- Is it louder than my current mixer?  I would love to see some db numbers on this.  The human ear is not very reliable, or repeatable.


- Does it really make a difference to the bread?  This is a hard one to answer of course unless you add to the equation that I need to use a mixer.  My life, right now, is such that I need to make sandwich bread quickly and easily, a very active three year old (if that's not redundant) occupies much of my time.  The mixer makes baking possible, a larger capacity mixer might mean once a week baking (which would be good).


- Finally, it comes down to cost.  The DLX is very expensive and I can not spend that kind of money to let it sit on the counter because:


a.  "It's too loud Daddy/Honey!"  etc (which I get, somewhat, with my current one).


b.  There's very little difference in performance over my current one but it is harder to use (the whole learning curve thing with a DLX).


 


It sure would be nice if I could see it work in person.  If there is such a dealer near me I can't find it.


 Reading threads, like your, does help though and I'm getting closer to a decision.  Please, keep us informed on how you like it.  I promises to return in kind if I get one.


 


Bill

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mattie405

On the matter of how loud the DLX is, I can say that my grandsons used to regularly take their nap on the couch while I would mix up my doughs in the machine, that way they were still near me but out of the mix. I just measured the distance from the couch to the mixer and it is 14 feet, the kitchen, livingroom and diningroom are all one area. The sound of the machine running at full speed or with a full load never woke them up and they aren't that sound of sleepers.....too afraid they might miss some mischief to get into I guess, they were two and four at the time. I also have an old Hobart era KitchenAid that I would say is a little louder than my DLX, although it could be because of its age. The loudest is the Bosch Universal of the machines I use, on the plus side it also brings the dough together faster than the others for me, it costs more than a KitchenAid but less than the DLX if cost is an issue. Hope some of my ramblings help you out. mattie

loydb's picture
loydb

The volume is simply not a concern. I'm a former recording engineer, so I like to think my ears are pretty sensitive. My wife the teacher stole my decibel meter for her psychology class to use when doing perception -- I'll have her bring it home next time she's up there and do a real measurement -- but it simply isn't that loud.


It does a better job of kneading than my KA with a bread hook as far as quality.


The larger capacity is what really drew me to it. I had never heard of them until reading Breadmaker's Apprentice, but what drew me in was his quote that you couldn't make one of his huge loaves of Poilane-Style Miche in a machine: "Step 4: This dough is too large for home mixers (except for the Magic Mill)".


That made me really curious about one, especially after the second or third time smoke started coming from my KA...


I'm keeping my KA -- I'll still use it for meat grinding for sausage, and I can see situations where I might want both mixers in use during a cooking frenzy for Thanksgiving or something -- but for bread, the DLX has it beat by a mile.


Connecticut is a bit of a drive to get to Austin, but you're welcome to drop in :)


loyd


edit: we grabbed the sound meter, but neglected to see if the battery was alive, and have no 9-volts around the house. Tomorrow for sure, Rocky :)


 


 


 


 


 

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loydb

I found a battery. All measurements C-weighted. Noise floor is <60db. This is with the bowl empty -- it's actually quieter with dough, as it absorbs some of the noise.


At kneading speed:


73 db @ 1', 65 db @ 5', 63 db @10'


At crazy-ass high speed:


81 db @ 1', 72 db @ 5', 69 db @ 10'


 


 

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BellesAZ

I know I'm a bit late to the party to comment here, but I have a KA Pro and have used it for a couple of years.  It was an upgrade to the old KA - the basic Artisan machine you get at Costco.  When I made some baguette dough and my bagel dough.. my KA actually shut down from being overheated.  I knew that if I wanted to go further in my baking that I'd have to buy something else. 


I've really been eyeing up the Magic Mill DLX and so I've been doing exhaustive research.  Found one on eBay for a really good price, $299, but I noticed it did not come with the dough hook.  The machine description at Pleasant Hill says it comes with a dough hook.. so is that correct?  The dough hook replacement is only $40.  I didn't care for the sellers feedback and the machine looked rather beat up to me and I didn't get a positive vibe, so I think I'm just going to suck it up and buy new.


I just wanted to let everyone know who has commented here that your input has been so helpful.  Thanks for the info and thanks for being so wonderful about sharing.. wow, a noise measuring machine.. that's beyond helpful! :)