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KoMo, Mockmill, and Salzburger...

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Kooky

KoMo, Mockmill, and Salzburger...

Hi, first thread here...

I'm having trouble choosing my first mill. I've nixtamalized corn and ground it via a hand crank for a while, sometimes I turn small amounts of things like millet or teff to flour in my Vitamix. So, I figured it's time to also stop buying store bought flour.

I have looked into all the mills and come to these...

  • KoMo Classic
  • Mockmill 200 (or Professional)
  • Salzburger MAX SPEZIAL or MT 5 ED (no plastic edition)

A few questions now.

  1. Regarding the KoMo vs. Mockmill, if you choose the Lino (wooden) version of the Mockmill, what then is the difference between it and a KoMo? It looks like the Mockmill has a more powerful motor. That means it'll grind fast but heat them up more? A variable speed setting on these would be nice.
  2. What's the difference between Salzburger models I listed? There's a chart and it shows that they have the same exact performance for every food source. Is it just the style?
  3. Lastly, do any of these really heat the grains up too much? I am willing to double mill, coarse then fine, to reduce heat.

Thank you.

 

Edit: due to the motor, I think I've settled on the MT 12, no plastic, which other users here seem to have and enjoy.

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Gadjowheaty

I too am in the same boat.  I blew an e-bay auction on a powerhouse of a mill in great condition, very kindly provided to me by another member.  I simply spaced that it was closing.  There were no bids and the unit went to the first buyer.  C'est la vie.

FWIW, this is a comparison of the Komo Fidibus and Mockmill 200.  He claims impartiality, and in my eyes, seems so.  No connections, etc., but this came up on one of my early searches.

I'm considering buying a unit that won't heat up either, should I decide to move bigger and need a more extended continuous milling.  But these aren't cheap.  

Thanks for the thread.  There have been many like it but not in awhile, I think, so personally I'm very glad you put it forward.  Good luck.

 

Paul

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Kooky

With a Salzburger grinder, I feel it will reduce the desire to ever "upgrade". And even then getting the MT 12 over the Max is likely my route.

When I got my KitchenAid mixer I purchased the Pro 600. After a few months of heavy baking it would occasionally struggle with hefty doughs, and the motor is quite loud. So, I have sold it and I'm patiently awaiting my Pro Line 7 quart mixer with a D/C motor... It's more powerful and also quieter!

Point is, I really hate having to buy twice, I try to buy once, and buy for life (or at least the product's life). Which is how after a little deliberation I ended up on the MT 12 already, the no plastic option is simply a wonderful bonus. I'm waiting a few more days before buying it.

I know, people on here will be able to swear by a Mockmill, or a KoMo, this or that, but I guess in the end I have to get what's right for me. As long as I can always have the time to do a double mill, having natural stones is just magical to me.

As a vegan, I cannot imagine the textures and flavors I can explore... Black bean tortillas... Buckwheat pasta. Really, I just want the tool to "get out of the way". I want it to work so perfectly and be so well tuned that you barely notice the tool. It does just what you want with minimal effort and little thought...

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Gadjowheaty

I absolutely agree with you and aim to buy once, if at all possible.  

You sound very grounded in all you want to do - and it sounds delicious.  Have fun, and bon appétit!

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barryvabeach

The Retsel is probably the best at not heating up the flour.  Remember, it is not the power of the motor ,  but how fast the stones spin ( among other factors ) that impact how much the flour is heated.  The Retsel uses gear reduction so that the stone spins relatively slowly compared to most other mills I have used.  Note I have never seen anything definitive as to how high a  temperature is too high, nor do we know the temperature at the milling chamber - most just measure the temperature as it comes out of the milling chamber.

But I can say that the 1/4 hp or 1/2 hp Retsels  ( I don't know about the 1/10 hp which IIRC is an earlier model ) are beasts, and should outlive you by a long time.   Also there is a negative post about a feed auger cracking for one user, and I am not sure how that happened since there should not be that much torque on that part, but  nearly all the other negative posts about the retsels are about customer service and buying new.  I bought used. 

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Gadjowheaty

 I bought used. 

-and I did not.  Thanks for trying, my friend.  $225, shipped.  Lots of colorful words come to mind right now.

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MontBaybaker

Just browsed and haven't seen a site that offers these, but would like to take a look.  Thanks!

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barryvabeach

You can find Retsels on ebay, but expect that it will take a while, they don't come up often, and when they do, it is often the 1/10 hp.  Also, because they are so heavy, you need to find one listed that is not too far away.  Ebay lets you save a search and then emails you when something comes up that fits your criteria.  That is what I would do if I was looking for another one.     If you search ebay completed auctions, you will see 2 sold in the last month, each for around $150 plus shipping.  One came with both the stones and steel burrs, and that would be quite a bargain if you wanted to mill something that was not suitable for the stones.  

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Kooky

Due to the conversions and such, I had proceeded with checkout on Salzburger up until the end when Paypal gives you the option to "cancel and go back". I did that for two products to see final conversion rates. Today I woke up to two emails saying I ordered two Salzburgers...

I guess I'll only cancel one of them... :)

The MT 18 seems like the best option due to the slower RPM, but I cannot afford that.

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moi1215

👋🏻 New quarantine baker and first time poster. I just bought the MockMill 200 directly from the site. **Refurbished is a great deal with all the same warranty so definitely consider that 👍** One thing I was not aware of after purchasing my grains and milling was that there is a lot of husk and bran included that most YTubers and other pages I follow did not mention. It’s fine if you want a hearty loaf, but if you’re a new-ish baker and expected to be baking with something at least similar to store bought flour it is definitely something to start “googling” about. It will adjust ingredient amounts and hydration if you’re baking sourdough. I haven’t experimented with my “whole” grain since I am not that experienced yet. So please take that into consideration. You will either be sifting until your arm falls off or will be purchasing/make shifting a very good electronic one. There’s a forum on that here too 😊

Just thought I’d share for those about to buy a countertop mill. It was not something I had considered. I love my MockMill so far. Grinds fast and looks pretty. It’s recommended from where I buy my wheat berries to keep them refrigerated to prolong freshness and that definitely seems to help with the heating concerns. 

HaPpY BaKiNg Ya’LL! May all your loaves rise high!! 🍞🥖👩🏻‍🍳

 

Kooky's picture
Kooky

Thanks, I feel I will be in the same boat when my mill arrives. A lot of "real food" has been stripped away from modern society. The only wonder I have about Wonderbread is it's a wonder anyone can call it bread! .... Ahem. 

Until I purchased wheat berries to cook directly for a salad a few weeks ago I don't think I had ever seen them in my life, anywhere, in any store. I had to buy them online and they are expensive to buy in 3lbs...

I will be placing an order with AzureStandard soon, there is a drop about 30 minutes from me, $2 shipping for 50lbs + of wheat berries is fine, and the wheat berries range from $0.50/lb to $0.94/lb, very reasonable for the best bread upgrade there is... Most stores run organic wheat at $1.00/lb minimum.

It will be learning bread all over, I'm sure hydration and all of that must be adjusted with the extra bits in there, how much it soaks up when it's been ground 5 minutes ago, versus if you have some left that sits for a few weeks. 

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justkeepswimming

I have purchased a variety of grains (hard red winter and hard white spring wheat, kamut, red fife, spelt, oats, barley, and a few others) from a wide variety of sources and for a number of years (even pre bread making). Only rarely have I ever found even a single husk in the grain. If your grain has a lot of husks included, that seems pretty unusual. You may want to consider a different source. 

Mary

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Kooky

Apparently it's just an auto message if you go that far through the checkout process even if you don't order. They said they didn't receive any orders so false alert, for anyone in the future that might want to check PayPal conversions. If you get an email but you clicked "cancel" you likely weren't charged and an order wasn't placed.

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kapawlak

I use it pretty much everyday for anything that requires grinding. I have never had an issue with heating. I cannot recommend this machine enough. It is a work-horse that is, as far as I'm concerned, indestructible. The grind quality is absolutely outstanding -- I achieve an open crumb on 100%WW without batting an eye now that I've had it for a while.
https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/68365/100-freshly-milled-whole-wheat-sourdough-80-hydration

Kooky's picture
Kooky

I purchased my Salzburger MT 12 today... no plastics... I simply like their philosophy and outlooks, that is worth a fair premium to me.

alchemy's picture
alchemy

Congrats on your purchase of the Salzburger Mill.  It is a wonderful mill.  It is a beautiful and functional machine. I can't

say enough good about them.  We have enjoyed using ours and are ready to part with it.  If anyone is looking for a great

deal on an amazing Mill, please see my ad on the For Sale Forum here at FreshLoaf.  

 

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/app/d/kennett-square-stone-flour-mill/7337063376.html

Kooky's picture
Kooky

Looks like somehow a mistake appeared on the website with lower prices... Therefore I received a refund. The updated price is out of my desire currently...

Back to the drawing board.