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Inverted Baking Dish to Create Steam??

nickg's picture
nickg

Inverted Baking Dish to Create Steam??

Random question – but I thought I would see if anyone has tried this. 

Obviously a dutch oven works great for boules – but I was thinking of doing a baguette or ciabatta and was thinking of using my baking stone as the surface for the bread and covering it with an inverted glass (pyrex) baking dish for the first 15min or so of baking to generate a good amount of steam and get a nice crust.

Has anyone tried this? Did your Pyrex stand up to the test of the heat? I also have a Le Cruset Stoneware baking/casserole dish–but would be a little more worried about breaking that one.

Thanks!

trailrunner's picture
trailrunner

i put my cast iron in the basement storage. I have started using my 1940 granite roasters. Anything that holds heat and steam works. In point of fact I get way better rise and ears with the quick heating of my roasters that I ever got with cast iron. Don’t get me wrong I loved my heated pots but the roasters only need to heat the length of time it takes to preheat the oven so lots of energy saved. 500 degrees is 500 degrees. Your bread  neither knows nor cares how you preheated a stone or pot. It will  get to be 500 no matter if it preheated for 15 min as a thin pot  or an hour for cast iron. Will bake beautifully and the steam will stay in. Turn around time is fast with the granite wear as well, so baking batch after batch is possible in  a short time frame. 

You can look online to see the heating parameters of your particular dishes. You should do so before subjecting to extreme temps. Good luck! Post results

nickg's picture
nickg

See Pictures below!!

TopBun's picture
TopBun

I've baked many batards and other long-ish loaves on a baking stone, covered with an inverted, inexpensive Graniteware roasting pan. Holds the steam just fine, as long as you're careful to make sure the pan doesn't overhang any part of the stone.

 

Long_Haired_Hippie's picture
Long_Haired_Hippie

Through reading alot of tutorials and YouTube i have seen it done with both large pyrex and stainless steel bowls. Have not tried it myself as i prefer the outcome of fully uncovered loaves

nmygarden's picture
nmygarden

I recall a discussion on this site regarding the use of Pyrex (or other tempered glass) dishes, and comments suggesting that some of the older Pyrex had withstood the heat more successfully than newer products. Try searching for it. A related thought, if Pyrex is used as a pan, rather than as a cover, the dough would allow the material to heat gradually. If used as a lid, the material is exposed directly to the heat. Many years ago, I broke an Anchorware casserole by using it in the broiler with just pork tenderloins in it. The shock was too great and I lost a pan I really liked.

Best of luck! We want pictures!

Cathy

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nickg

see below!

Arjon's picture
Arjon

Like a couple of others, I use an old enameled metal roaster body upside down. It's oval and long enough for batards and short baguettes. I've also used my enameled cast iron Dutch oven body upside down for batards, but the roaster is much lighter and thus easier to handle, plus it's a few inches longer, and I haven't noticed any difference in the results, granted I've never compared side by side. 

Portus's picture
Portus

... works quite well, without the risk of breakage.

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

but what happens after you take it out.  I have busted plenty of them by putting them on a cold surface like the stove top when they are 450 F.  If you put them on a wood cutting board no problem for some reason and you can get all you want of either at Goodwill for next to nothing.  A stainless steel mixing bowl and stone works better than a dutch oven for boules if you ask me and the long breads a stone and inverted granite-ware is tough to beat

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Lazy Loafer

I've used my cast iron frying pans covered with steel bread bowls for stubby 'chubbs' (not boules, but not baguettes either). I've covered loaves baking directly on the stones with upturned foil roasting pans too. Both worked fine. I also sometimes bake rye bread in bread pans covered with steel steam table inserts from a restaurant supply shop (used, $5 each). I think a deep roasting pan lid would probably work best as it has a handle on it. The problem with the pyrex baking dish is getting hold of it properly to take it off halfway through the baking (when it's really hot) and then putting it somewhere safe.

nickg's picture
nickg

Thanks you all for your replies–much appreciated!

So–I chickened out with the Pyrex and instead used a large metal roasting pan. 
I think I am going to do some searching for a Granite roaster as well to use in the future. 

I think I will try this with a more traditional baguette at some point as well – this is a version of Jim Lahey's Stirato recipe which doesn't call for any scoring on the loaf at all. 

I started with the roasting pan covering the loves on the stone for the first 20 min then removed the roasting pan (moved it up one rack position in the oven) and continued for another 15-20min. 

I am definitely new at this–so please forgive the misshapen loaves. But over all I think that there was a pretty decent oven spring and got a nice color on the crust. Definitely better than the few other times I have tried a baguette. 

 

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Long_Haired_Hippie's picture
Long_Haired_Hippie

I think they are beautiful! Im new as well my current shaping issue is that no matter how they rise they end up flat topped after baking. Trying to get over it as its just aesthetic but i envy your pretty round loaves

nickg's picture
nickg

I know it's tough–I should focus on the quality of the bread before aesthetic–You're right!

I think that creating the steam for the first 20min or so of baking really helped get a good rise from the loaf as well as that darker/crunchier crust. Other times I have tried without the inverted pan I definitely ended up with a flatter loaf. Not that I'm a professional–but I think over-proofing can cause a deflated loaf too–maybe keep an eye on that variable as well!

Thanks again for your comment.

trailrunner's picture
trailrunner

Those look great! Check Etsy for roasters. Way better than EBay . There are quite a few currently and pretty good prices. 

nickg's picture
nickg

I will definitely check that out! Thanks!

bakingbuddies's picture
bakingbuddies

Are vintage Graniteware reliable and safe to use? There are prettier colors (and many with handles) than new ones.

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DanAyo

Should be fine. TrailRunner converted me. I used to use heavy cast iron Dutch ovens and combo cookers. But after I did some testing (using an infrared heat gun) I jumped on the light weight train. I can’t find any way that the cast iron excels over the light weight cookware. It heats up fast and it cools down, when removed from the oven, equally fast. AND, it’s light! And cheap.

Dan

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bakingbuddies

Awesome, thank you! I am still trying to resist the call of expensive, beautiful Le Crueset stuff... But now learning about this, sounds perfect!

PS I see I posted this question twice for some reason My apologies.

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DanAyo

I have used enameled cast iron for bread baking, but it stains the enamel finish very badly. For me, it is not a good choice. Do you plan to bake on a stone with a cover on top? If so, what is the size of your stone?

If your stone is large enough, this is my favorite. https://www.amazon.com/Granite-Covered-Rectangular-Roaster-Inches/dp/B000050AVD/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1525053357&sr=8-2&keywords=graniteware+roasting+pan&dpID=41njMbDWnlL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

Dan

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bakingbuddies

Are vintage Graniteware reliable and safe to use? There are prettier colors (and many with handles) than new ones.

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Mini Oven

unless the are enameled steel and part of the pots.  Remove Bakelite or other added on handles and knobs unless you know they are Oven safe.  I've been doing a total house cleaning and taking a double look at some of my vintage enameled ("email" in German language)<----(there are jokes, you can imagine) pots used for arts & crafts.  A big DO comes to mind used for melting wax.  It has a light interior and a flower pattern around the pot with a black bottom. The dark bottom does center the heat under the loaf if used for baking, a plus point.  I would look for the dark colors... black, navy, red, orange, brown etc.  less staining and more browning of crust.  Lighter colors will reflect the oven heat more and result in light crusts for the sweeter breads that burn easily.  Depends on what you're after. 

.  I'll go digging up info, just for the fun of it.  Looks like this will take more time than I have planned.

https://ireadlabelsforyou.com/skinny-safe-cookware/

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bakingbuddies

Wow, the "famous" Mini Oven :-) Thanks for your comment! I'm just trying to avoid justifying a beautiful Lava dutch oven purchase, haha.

pmccool's picture
pmccool

of the Average Joe Artisan Bread kit.  Anyone could use enamelware of the size and shape that suits their baking, without having to buy the kit.

Paul