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Cement Mixer Turned Dough Mixer

marathonflight's picture
marathonflight

Cement Mixer Turned Dough Mixer

Hey ya'll, I've been lurking for years and gathered a lot of good information here...so thank everyone for that.  I've lived the trajectory of cube monkey to full-time baker and bakery owner and back to a life not in bread.  I'm hoping to swing back the other way, but I wanted to share a project I had been working on but never finished in hopes that it might help someone else trying to scale up into small commercial baking or cottage baking.

As an experiment one day, I took a standard issue $150,1.25 cu. foot cement mixer and threw a 20 pound batch of ingredients in.  It produced some of the most beautiful dough I've ever worked with.  It could have probably handled 60 pounds of dough easily.

I checked with the health department both locally and state to see what it would take to convert the cement mixer into a dough mixer and not have any problems from their department.  The general consensus was that the bowl and blades of the mixer would need to be removed of all paint and an approved non-toxic coating applied to the steel.  They said to document the process and keep a record of it in case anyone ever asked.

I researched medical grade powdercoating and industrial chroming (the same process used on the hydraulic pistons of commercial tractors), but ultimately decided that the best option was to go old-fashioned and have the bowl "tinned".  If you're not familiar with the process, many old bakeries still have to send off their old steel bowls to have a tin coating applied every now and then.  It's not often, and it's not terribly expensive.  I was also told to avoid sandblasting with the wrong media as it can pit the metal.

The other consideration was that there is a rubber seal separating the two halves of the mixer bowl.  The idea would be to replace that with a food grade seal either silicone (silpat?) or food grade rubber.

Replacing the nuts with wing nuts to allow for a quick dis-assembly would be ideal too.  That would be for the blades inside the bowl and the two halves of the bowl itself. 

Why a cement mixer?  

1. It's cheap: Total estimated cost for a new mixer and to have it tinned and replace the necessary small parts is less than $600.  That's less than a used, needs work Hobart 20qt and you'd have almost triple the capacity.

2. It's extremely durable and simple.  If you ever had a problem, you could go down to your local big box hardware store and replace the head unit.

3. It replicates the folding and tumbling motion of hand mixing almost the way a diving arm mixer does.

4. It's quiet!  Very quiet!

Maybe it's not the solution for you, but when I was desperate for a larger mixer solution at a low cost, this was what I could come up with and prototype.  Maybe if the bowl itself could be replicated in stainless steel, then there'd be no need to go through the whole coating process.  Maybe there's a better way to do it....suggestions?

Happy baking!

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cranbo

Super cool idea marathonflight! But I want pictures! :)

dobie's picture
dobie

I think that's a great idea. And yes, pics please.

I very briefly worked at a bagel shop and they had a very similar set-up. I don't know if it was improvised or from a 'Supply House' catalogue, but I do believe the bowl and blade were stainless.

Good job, and welcome.

dobie

marathonflight's picture
marathonflight

I've seen "tumble mixers" in limited use, but not in baking.  My whole thought on posting all this is maybe it'll give someone an idea...even if they're not a baker.  Maybe a candy maker, maybe some other food trade.

I'm trying to track down the video and photos...but they may be most likely lost on an old device.

Maverick's picture
Maverick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P85EXMYKXEw

I think this might actually be cement ...

doughooker's picture
doughooker

I'm thinking the really big bakeries that produce over 1,000 loaves per day use a solution like this.

How well does it knead the dough? Does the finished dough pass the window-pane test?

What are you doing with 20+ pound batches?

marathonflight's picture
marathonflight

For the 20qt I was baking for festivals, light wholesale and farmers markets.  Started out as a pretzel maker at festivals and then turned that into a vegan bakery gig where at our peak we were running a 21 pan old-school revolving deck Middleby Marshall and 80 quart Hobart.  Moved to a small town for family reasons, shut down big bakery and go back to double deck Bakers Pride and 20 qt.  While planning to open a new space a fire destroyed most of my larger bakery equipment.  I bootstrapped it for a few years, but could never get the funds to upgrade equipment again...possibly because we always ran a "pay what you can" model, but more than likely just we couldn't get the volume up.  While staring at the cement mixer one day while rebuilding our home, I thought it might be a good way to scale back up along with a gas/wood fired oven and Texas' liberal Cottage Food Laws.

That's what I was doing with 20# batches...and I hope to do it again with much larger batches, but we have to start somewhere.

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doughooker

Here's a guy who wanted to use a cement mixer to mix pizza dough and was looking for one with a polyurethane barrel. There was some discussion in this thread of the difference between mixing cement and mixing bread dough with its developed gluten.

https://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=25157.0

https://marshalltown.com/#wheelbarro

 

marathonflight's picture
marathonflight

WOW, thanks for the link!  The Poly liner looks like a great idea and it's FDA approved.  I read through the PizzaMaking forum on the subject and they make some good arguments against the cement mixer, but it's all speculation on their part.

The blades of the mixer move the cement around in a more fluid motion than the dough for sure.  The dough somewhat tumbled and would be carried to the top of the rotation arc and then would drop down onto the opposite blade.  So there's a tumbling, dropping and folding motion going on whereas with cement it might only be part of the load that actually reaches the top of the arc.

If the motor HP is a problem, which I can't predict without extensive testing, then I would think an upgraded motor would do the trick.  Of course, then you have $800 to $1000 into it total.

The dough I produced passed the "window pane" test, and after having made thousands of batches in a Hobart, I can say that I'd be willing to invest in and give the cement mixer a long-term testing based off the sample batch.

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rgconner

http://kushlanproducts.com/450-dd-food-grade-mixer/

 

available at local Home Depot.

 

You can even by extra drums so you can swap to another dough without a washout.