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dough climbing mixer hooks help

Mr dough's picture
Mr dough

dough climbing mixer hooks help

Hello I'm new to this website but I have a big problem and need help. So I bought myself a new mixer (it is a breville compact twin motor hand and stand mixer) for making bread but the dough just climbs up the hooks and gets clogged up inside the mixer and doesn't knead, I've tried adding the water gradually, oiling the hooks and changing ingredient quantity please help I dont want to put this in the back of my cupboard and never use it again!!

Maverick's picture

How much dough are you mixing? Could be too much for the design. 

Mr dough's picture
Mr dough

Well at first I used 250 grams of flour and the dough climbed the hooks so I thought there maybe isn't enough weight pulling the dough down so then I used 500g of flour and just did the same thing

MichaelH's picture

This mixer is maybe good for making batter, but will never do the job on bread dough. There is nothing you can do except return it or put it on the shelf and buy a real mixer.

Mr dough's picture
Mr dough

Well was dreading that answer can you recommend any good mixers that aren't too pricey??? 

MichaelH's picture

I have been very happy with my Kitchenaid Pro 600, they cost about $350. My other mixer is commercial model that you would probably not be interested in. The Kitchenaid will mix about 4 lbs of dough without overheating and does not experience dough climbing on the spiral dough hook.

Reynard's picture

Except it's a Kenwood. These mixers are intended for cakes, sponges, mousses, meringues, biscuits, that sort of thing. That's what I use mine for and it does a good job of work. 

By far the cheapest bread kneaders around are your hands ;-)

I knead by hand in a large ceramic bowl to containerize the mess. I find it less of a faff to do it this way, plus I like feeling the way the dough changes as I work it. And in any case, I really can't justify the cost of a stand mixer anyway - or the space it would occupy in my teeny tiny galley kitchen...

barryvabeach's picture

Mr. Dough,  what type of bread are you making.  While I have a few mixers, there are many that make artisan breads that use just a stretch and fold method.  It does require time, but it is very little effort.

Maverick's picture

I was about to recommend just going with an autolyse and stretch and fold. No mixer required.

Mr dough's picture
Mr dough

What I was making was just a simple white cob but meybey the dough was too Dry not sure?

Mini Oven's picture
Mini Oven

in differently.  Sometimes the hooks can be put in to look identical or put in to look like mirror images of each other.  

Another solution might be to put two coin size disks of plastic with a hole punched in the middle threaded over the rods or necks of the blades before mounting into the mixer.    Depends on the mixer.  Try reversing the blades first.   

The other thing to try is putting the flour in a donut shape in the mixer bowl and the liquids into the middle and use the lowest setting until all the flour is moist.  

I get frustrated watching a mixer and prefer to use my hands.

doughooker's picture

No promises, but try using one dough hook at a time. The hooks are not identical so one hook may work better than the other.

Your mixer is interesting because the second motor turns the bowl. You basically have a mini spiral mixer.

The usual suggestion for dough-hook climbing is to use a spiral dough hook. Your hooks are already spiraled so give it a shot. Again, no promises.

KJB's picture

Kitchen aid "j" hook is very efficient over a spiral hook; so much so that the dough has developed in two minutes not 10-14 as with hand kneading. The dough climb can be from  a sticky dough. The problem lies with the small batch size not having enough weight to fall back down onto itself. Over kneading beyond the climb will only twist the dough making a tough center and poorly formed outside, increasing speed beyond "2" to sling it off will only tear and shred the gluten strands. If your still unhappy with the results then you simply cut off the vertical one inch part from the bottom of the j hook with grinder or hacksaw and file smooth, problem solved. It's that vitical part that grabs and does the twisting you don't want. It's purpose is grab onto a sponge to get large batches going quickly so not needed.

Janna3921's picture

I say negative because I don't know very much about mixers, baking bread, but I still want to give some advice.  :)  

Mixer, you need a good one to mix anything that will be heavy, whether it is bread dough or even mixing cheese balls, which I generally burn out a mixer on because a hand mixer isn't strong enough.  Same with bread dough, no matter what, a hand mixer's engine/motor can't handle the heavy duty needs or mixing bread dough. 

Cost, there are great mixers that cost hundreds of dollars, I don't have that kind of money, so I bought one called a Chefteronic (I think I spelled that right).  Since I have Amazon prime and a charge card through them I order using the charge card and then pay it off, getting the points from what I buy but not having a charge card bill each month.  It has taken me two years but I built up almost enough points to buy the mixer I got this week.  It was $200 with a good motor to make bread, a blender and a grinder to grind meat so hubby can make the sausage he wants.  It is a 650W, 6 speed and 5.3 qt, bowl.  I am thinking it is a good one, but I don't know a lot about mixers, making bread or such.

It isn't the best, but I'm not going to be making two, three or more loaves a day, maybe a couple loaves a week, at Christmas more.  I make cheese balls, cookies and candies for presents.  

Hoping you can find the mixer you want, maybe find one here for sale or maybe a sale, clearance at a store.  Best luck to you, know what it's like wanting something but don't have the bucks to buy it.

Bread rat.'s picture
Bread rat.

I have a KitchenAid pro. When the dough decided to climb I lower the bowel wile the machine is running. Dough climbs back down. Rase the bowel. I did walk away once. Only to come back and find the whole ball of dough swinging like a monkey on a ceiling fan.  It's not going to hurt anything if you have to stop kneading. Stop the mixer. Pull the dough back down and repeat. If this is the machine you have and you get good results then use it. 

I will have to agree with everyone who truthfully stated a better machine will do a better job. If bread is a passion for you then try to save up a bit each month. Spend your time between now and buying to research what would be best for you.