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Chasing Bagel Perfection: Reinhart's NY Style Bagels With Wild Sourdough

eatalready's picture

Chasing Bagel Perfection: Reinhart's NY Style Bagels With Wild Sourdough

Bagels are one of my most favorite things to eat.  They are so versatile, so forgiving; they go with anything — from smoked white fish to jam — and never complain.  You can eat them by themselves just fine or slather with butter or cream cheese, and you’ve got yourself a meal.


New York style bagels were completely novel idea to me after jumping over the pond.  Growing up, we had bagels that were slightly sweet, dense and dry, not chewy, and not crunchy, more pretzel-like. They also were thinner and had larger holes.  I loved our bagels (called boublick, BTW), fully convinced that they were the best and the greatest thing, that is, until I tried the New York style bagels in America.  Mmm… I was instantly hooked.  You can’t confuse NY style bagels with anything else, and those chilled bagels from the dairy aisle of your trusted supermarket don’t count as bagels, so please don’t even start, I am talking the REAL ones — the crunchy on the outside and distinctively chewy on the inside, plump and beautiful numbers, sprinkled with… well… anything in the world, from kosher salt to crunchy onion bits.

NY Style Bagels -- Wild Sourdough Version

For a long while, my Sunday lunch of choice was a toasted sesame bagel with plain cream cheese, topped with smoked white fish (chunk, not salad) from Goldberg’s Bagel & Deli.  It had a slice of tomato on it, a few green olives and a half sour pickle on the side… I am drooling just thinking about it.  Second favorite, of course, was a classic lox-n-bagel combo, with red onions, tomatoes and capers.

Imagine my despair when we moved to this cozy little town, only to find out there are no bagel shops within a hundred mile radius.  No, that dingy place downtown doesn’t count as bagel place, and no, Panera Bread isn’t an authoritative source of true bagels either.  Sure, they are freshly baked bagels, but they are not the right kind.  They are made with yeast only, impregnated with enhancers, conditioners, emulsifiers and flavor imitations, passed through a machine to shape them and then… and then… [chin quivering]… they are steamed [falling apart, wailing] before baking.

NY Style Bagels -- Wild Sourdough Version

So yeah, this is how we’ve been living for the past three years now, in this dark and bagel-less world. I’d rather not eat bagels at all than succumb to dubious charm of rubbery and sticky mass-produced imitations.  I learned to do without, but then I got into bread baking… So it was only a matter of time before I started dabbling in bagel-making.

At first, I tried to chase that unforgettable soviet bagel recipe.  I found a few good ones, and even though they did come quite close to my memory of them, they still weren’t exact replicas.  Then, I stumbled upon Peter Reinhart’s version of NY style bagels and tried it in its original form (yeast only).  I think I screwed something up the first time, and wasn’t very pleased with the outcome.  Bagels came out too dry and flat, possibly due to using the wrong kind of flour, or maybe because my yeast was old and lazy.

NY Style Bagels -- Wild Sourdough Version

Then I read a bit more and found that yeast sponge could be substituted happily with wild sourdough for added flavor, and I decided that this may be the way to go, since I keep sourdough starter in my kitchen at all times.  I did purchase a batch of white barley malt and a bag of bread flour, because I wanted to stay as true to the recipe as possible. The rest was history. It all came together very well and paid off tenfold. The bagels turned out perfect!  They had it all — the satisfying crunch, the just right amount of chewiness without pulling your dentures out, the distinctive malty flavor, and oh the looks, the gorgeous glossy looks!  They also keep quite well, can be frozen raw or baked, and the recipe is so simple that it will scale like a charm, if necessary.

NY Style Bagels -- Wild Sourdough Version

The recipe may seem lengthy, the process spawning two days. However, if you look closely, it’s quite plain to see that it will flow very well with your busy schedule.  Say, if you scale the bread starter on a Friday morning, you can go to work and forget all about it, then make the dough batch in the evening, refrigerate overnight, which is the proper way to deal with it, and boil and bake bagels on Saturday morning, which won’t take long at all.  The actual hands-on time is very minimal.  By the time your oven is fully heated, the boiling part will be done.  And after that, it only takes 20-25 minutes to bagel bliss…  It will all be worth it in the end, when you and yours will sit down in front of still warm heap of bagels, inhale the aroma, slice those bagels open, toast (or not, if you are a purist), slather with cream cheese and sink your teeth into the crunchy and chewy flesh. Ahhhhh….

NY Style Bagels -- Wild Sourdough Version

I triple dog dare you to try this, just to see how easy it is to get an amazing freshly baked bagel right in your home.  Once you try, you’ll never purchase the grocery store chilled abomination again.  Moreover, in time you’ll find that a batch of from-scratch home made bagels makes a perfect thank you gift or a token of love for your friends and family.

Peter Reinhart’s NY Style Bagels, Wild Sourdough Version

Yields 12 standard size or 24 mini bagels

Wild Sourdough Sponge:

  • 500 g (4 cups) bread flour
  • 500 ml (2 cups) non-chlorinated water
  • your ripe 100% hydration wheat sourdough starter

Final Dough:

  • 1000 g (5 cups) of sourdough sponge (above)
  • 4 cups bread flour, divided
  • 2 tsp barley malt or 1 tbsp malt barley syrup
  • 3 tsp salt
  • 1 tsp dry yeast
  1. Make the sponge: This is a great way to refresh your starter and make a sponge for bagels at the same time. Mix whatever quantity of wheat starter you have with the water. Whisk until foamy. Add flour. Mix thoroughly until all lumps are gone. Scrape the sides of the bowl with a spatula. Cover loosely with plastic or lid and leave for at least 6-8 hours.  Sponge is ready when very foamy and stretchy, and when 1 tsp of starter dunked in a glass of cold water doesn’t sink.  If you are working office hours, this portion of the process is best done in the morning, one day before you want bagels. Go to work, by the time you are back the starter should be ready.
  2. Make the dough: Measure out 5 cups (or weight 35 oz) of the starter sponge. Reserve the remainder of the sponge for other projects.
  3. Combine starter, salt, malt, yeast and 3 cups of flour in a bowl and mix together until they form a ball.
  4. Adding the remaining flour in batches, 1/4 cup at a time, continue kneading the dough until all added flour is fully absorbed.  Keep adding flour until the dough is tough and non-sticky, but still smooth and elastic.  Sometimes it takes a bit less flour, sometimes more.  If you notice tears or “stretch marks” in the dough, add a few drops of water to remedy that and stop the addition of the flour.
  5. Continue kneading the dough by hook or by hand until it’s fully smooth and elastic. It will still be quite tough. It will take about 10 minutes by hook or 15 minutes by hand to get to that stage.
  6. Immediately divide the dough into 12 (or 24) equal parts.  Standard size bagel will be about 4-1/2 oz (130 g) when raw.
  7. Shape each portion of the dough into a ball, and then shape it into a roll, much like a bratwurst sausage.
  8. Cover all rolls with a damp towel and let them rest and relax for 20 minutes.
  9. Line a baking sheet or a board with parchment.
  10. Shape the bagels: Wrap each roll around your fingers, overlapping the ends right under your index finger.
  11. Press the ends together with your thumb and index finger, place your open palm with dough on it onto the table and roll back and forth a few times, allowing the ends to fuse together.
  12. Place the bagels as you shape them on the lined baking sheet or board. Cover with plastic and let rise 20 minutes.
  13. After 20 minutes, perform the float test. Fill a medium bowl with cold water. Put one of the bagels in the bowl. If the bagel floats within a few seconds, it’s ready. If not, dry the sacrificial bagel off with a towel and return it under the plastic for another 15-20 minutes. Repeat the test.
  14. Once bagels are ready, place them, still covered with plastic,  in the refrigerator and leave overnight or up to 36 hours. Do not skip the refrigeration step: it is necessary for flavor and texture development.
  15. Boiling and baking: once you are ready to bake your bagels, preheat the oven to 500F. Prepare a board or a tray lined with a clean and dry dish towel for wet bagels to rest on. Line up your bagel toppings at this time. Get your slotted spoon or skimmer ready.
  16. Place a wide pot filled with water on a stove and bring to a boil. A regular soup pot will fit 4 bagels at a time, which is great.  Once the water is boiling rapidly, add 1 tbsp of baking soda to the pot, to increase the boiling. Leave the heat on high to ensure rapid boil at all times.
  17. Remove bagels from the fridge and carefully lower them 3-4 at a time into the boiling pot. Boil bagels for 1 minute on each side, turning them once with the slotted spoon.
  18. Remove bagels from the pot and line them up on the towel. Sprinkle bagels with toppings now, as they are the stickiest at this point. Proceed with the remaining bagels, until all of them are done and sprinkled.
  19. Transfer bagels onto the parchment lined baking sheet.
  20. Bake for 20-25 minutes, or until they are evenly browned on all sides.  Some ovens are not baking evenly, so you will have to watch for that, and rotate the baking sheet mid-baking.
  21. Cool bagels on rack until manageable and enjoy. Allow bagels to cool fully before storing them in plastic.
  22. Bagels can be frozen after step 14 (overnight ripening in the fridge) or after they are fully baked and cooled.  If you are baking bagels after freezing them, thaw bagels for 1 hour prior to boiling them.


Isand66's picture

Great job!  These look perfect.  It's sad how many places outside of NY have no idea how to make a real bagel.

Can you tell me which book you adapted your recipe from?  I have all of Peter's books but I'm not sure which one you used.

Happy Baking,

eatalready's picture

These are from Bread Baker's Apprentice.  At Peter's own suggestion somewhere in the margins, I have substituted 5 cups of 1:1 sourdough made with bread flour for yeast sponge, and doubled the dry yeast in the final dough. I tried the original (without sourdough) before, and didn't like it as much as this version.

Isand66's picture

That's what I suspected.  I will have to give your adaptation a try next week.  The last SD recipe for bagels I tried were a disaster so I'm looking forward to baking this version.


dabrownman's picture

bagels.  Get some lye or add some barley malt syrup to the water till it looks like strong tea along with the BS and they will be more authentically brown in the end.  I see you got some to blister too.  Well done and happy baking. 

TwoCats's picture

I have a question about this part: 

  • your ripe 100% hydration wheat sourdough starter

What is the weight of this starter? In other words, how much of the seed starter do you use?

dpt's picture

Hopefully somebody is monitoring this discussion. I have a question about the yeast. What is it for?  Is it necessary? Why not just let the sourdough culture ferment the dough?

Isand66's picture

You can certainly leave out the yeast and just wait longer for proofing.

dpt's picture

Thanks for the response.  One year later!  So I've gone ahead and tried skipping the yeast step a number of times, and it's how I've made my weekly batch of bagels for the last month.  I tried it following the recipe using unrevived starter, and that was an epic fail.  By the time the bagels passed the float test, they had flattened out too much.  The baked bagels were flat and dense.  Like you typically see in the pictures included in other bagel recipes online.  (I love how people post these recipes saying "making bagels is easy!", and have pictures of terrible bagels.)

Anyway, if you revive the starter before making your sponge, skipping the yeast step can work, with the following caveats:

* Proof the sponge in a warm place.

* You need to make sure the sponge will float before adding the remaining flour.

* Proof the bagels in a warm place.

* Then wait for them to pass the float test.

Even then, and in a warm place (in an oven with the light on, or in front of a fireplace or something), the bagels take about 3 hours to pass the float test, whereas if you add yeast it's more like a half hour.

Anyway, those are my findings, your mileage may vary.  Happy baking!

Isand66's picture

I didn’t even realize your comment was from a year ago 😂.  I was bored and was looking at some of my book marked recipes and saw your comment.  I certainly would concur you must always make a fresh levain that is active or you will end up with bricks.  I have t made bagels in a while but it’s on my list to bake soon.

Today I’m mixing up some baguette dough and trying a new formula for English muffins while we are waiting for the blizzard to end.

Happy baking.'s picture

What weight of 100% hydration starter do you add to the sponge if you add no commercial yeast?