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Flour in the USA vs. flour in Spain

April 3, 2024 - 6:27am -- Colettew
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I am an avid bread baker in the USA.  I have been making a no knead dried cherry walnut bread in a dutch oven for a couple years in the USA.  I always use King Arthur unbleached all-purpose flour there.  But when I try to make here in Spain I have tried the Harina de Trigo.  The dough turns out SO wet.  It still tastes very good but, the crust turns out quite hard.  I am thinking that I need to try a stronger flour, like Harina Fuerza but I am not sure.  Can anyone on this forum help me with this?

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I've been thinking about making a rye tin loaf off and on for a while and chanced upon a Rye Baker TFL post:

https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/44945/outstanding-russian-rye-bread-moskovskiy-rzhannoye-khlebv

The post came with a nice looking loaf, so I thought I would give it a try.

As always, a few tweaks:

1) I used 60% freshly milled rye and 40% light rye for the flour mix. Like Stan, I didn't want the crumb to be too solid, so I decided against 100% wholegrain (sorry Suave!)

2) I used "proper" Solod for the red rye malt and malt extract (ND) in place of molasses

3) Stan's timings make for a long baking day, so I made the sponge the night before with a lower temp and bigger flour to starter ratio

4) I gave my diecast alloy rye tins an outing - the hard to find L6 and the smaller L12a Borodino tin

5) Stan's dough weight is a bit off to get the tins full. I've seen (tin vol) X 0.65 or 0.67 for suggested dough weight. The L6 holds 2000ml brimful and in the end I went for 1200g of dough, which worked out pretty well, but I think it would have stood 1300g.

6) I like this type of bread to have shiny tops, so I did the 3 coat system: flour paste before baking and 2 x cooked potato starch paste at the end of baking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was pleased with how the loaves turned out. Flavour was good: some mild lactic sour and pronounced malty and aromatic notes. It wasn't as sweet as the Borodinsky I made a while ago - I put this down to using a scald rather than the mash (Zavarka) that my Borodinsky recipe used. A scald will soon cool below mash temperature (but probaly not in a bakery setting), so there won't be much starch to sugar conversion. I'm not sure if the scald is correct or the mash, but if making again I would try the mash.

 

Lance

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Whole Grain Bialys - Janie's Mill

April 2, 2024 - 7:37am -- louiscohen
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https://www.janiesmill.com/blogs/recipes/hearty-bialys-from-maritime-bread-co

86% whole wheat and 14% whole rye at 76% hydration.  The formula calls for blending two different whole wheat flours but you could probably get away with using one for all the whole wheat flour.  Here's my first batch:

Whole Grain Bialys - Janie's Mill from Maritime Bread - Photos

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The Zoia Panettone Challenge

- Recipe from “Non Solo Zucchero” by Iginio Massari

 

Iginio Massari a name much revered in the world of Panettone yet his mentor, Achille Zoia is lesser known, but to his credit a speciality flour formulated to accommodate Zoia’s technological liking bears his name… “Panettone Z” produced by Molino Dallagiovanna is the flour of choice being favoured by many maestri for its excellent extensibility.

Publications “Cresci” and “Non Solo Zucchero” authored by Massari both feature recipes from Zoia and these stand out with respect to their formulation and presentation, typically not including any flour in the second mix, favouring high levels of sugar while utilising minimal egg content and ultimately preferring basso forms. This bold approach in omitting additional flour in the final mix appears unique with respect to the typical formulations and presents a considerable challenge to the amateur…

Where a challenge presents itself, there is this baker full of zeal! I tackled his Paradise Panettone many years ago and at that time it took several attempts and felt very difficult to achieve success, often falling from the mould, but with repetition I would find salvation.

*Honey was infused with flavourings; candied orange paste, orange zest and vanilla extract.

Crumb: Some minor defects but otherwise showing good alveolation. It might not look it, but tearing into it, the texture is feathery bread shred. A clean cut no crumbles.

The dough received 3 sets of pre-shape rounds / stretch & folds while resting on the counter in what is technically a bulk fermentation period prior to placing in the mould. After about 90 minutes, enough strength was achieved to diminish spreading and encourage it to rise upwards with vigour.

Experience with this formula demonstrates it makes for a weaker final dough, since all the flour is fermented in the primo impasto. This leads to a less oomph in the final rise, losing its strength as it reaches the high heights when using the alto forms. This weakness shows itself as large bubbles that begin to emerge at the surface.

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50% hydration refreshed mother leaven (lievito madre rinfresco).

Preparing the mother for the overnight rest in water.

Even with a pH too low, this bake ticked all the boxes, delicately light, soft, rich, and sweet but also full of flavour and rounded off by a sense of nourishing satiety.

To all the panettone bakers out there, I present to you the Zoia Panettone Challenge…

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Hello from Glide, Oregon

April 1, 2024 - 10:13pm -- Olivernut60

Hi everyone,

 

I am happy to have discovered this forum! Right up front, I am NOT the baker! My lovely wife is the one who does the baking, mostly sourdough and variants, breads, rolls, even pancakes and waffles! If she can get sourdough in it, it gets made! She also has exceptional pie and desert abilities. Just ask me...

 

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I think I lost the ability to turn out great bread.

April 1, 2024 - 2:23pm -- Unofornaio

Hey all this is my first post here and I am hoping to get some guidance. I apologize in advance for the length but I wanted to get as much detail in as possible. Years ago I had a tiny wood fired bread operation that was doing great till a very messy divorce and all the joy that comes with it. It ultimately had to be closed down and I move away from food for several years. 

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Starter with fresh milled rye wheat berries

April 1, 2024 - 12:24pm -- louisemmcandrews

Greetings,  I have been baking sourdough for several years and recently had to make a starter because mine died.  That said,  I milled fresh rye and mixed it with filtered water.  Everyday, i get hooch, and maybe a few bubbles.  Should I not use the whole rye?  Is it feeding too quickly with the full grain?  It used to be so easy to make up my barm.  Help please. 

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Howdy from Texas!

March 31, 2024 - 5:54pm -- Anonymous baker (not verified)

Been making my own bread for so many years I don't remember when I started!  I strictly eat organic, and over the past 15 years "organic" has become industrialized so now I'm making all breads (and most other things) myself.  Starting to seek out heirloom varieties of anything I can find, and I support family farms and ranches whenever possible.

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