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Proofing in the Dishwasher

April 11, 2024 - 9:13am -- Moe C
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There's a tray of hamburger & hotdog buns rising in my dishwasher at the moment. This is not a new idea--Floyd posted about using the dishwasher as a proofing box back in 2005. 

I once put four loaves of whole wheat, tinned bread in the back of my van to rise. They turned out great.

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northern versus southern corn bread

April 10, 2024 - 4:09pm -- dlassiter
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I usually make northern cornbread, with half-flour, providing gluten. But southerners SWEAR by southern cornbread, in which one dare not let wheat flour touch the batter. Now I have no trouble adding bacon drippings, which makes it more southerny but why in the world would anyone like cornbread that is crumbly and almost unsliceable? Is it supposed to be more flavorful? Never noticed that.

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Kneading dough evenly in a Kitchen Aid

April 10, 2024 - 7:12am -- ninar

Hi, 

I recently bought a 6 qt stand loft kitchen aid mixer.  I've been doing large batches of a very wet enriched dough (1300g flour) every week.  However I am having difficulty getting it to knead evenly-- I find some areas to be slack and others to be just right or tight. 

 

 I'm curious if others manually flip their dough around,  and how frequently.

 

 I have one arm, so it's very tough for me to lift the full dough mass, especially in the early stages, but disregard that fact unless you have some suggestions! 

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JonJ

This bread ticks a whole bunch of health check-boxes for me and my ravenous teenager who is into healthy eating - whole grain, not wheat, and lots of fibre from seeds.

Foodgeek (Sune Trudslev) has a great description of this recipe with a matching video. He even has some fun suggestions of toppings you can use to make open sandwiches (smørrebrød) including, of course, smoked eel.

The high amount of seeds in this bread (90%) are what make it so special, bringing in some flavour, and a lot of chew and fibre. I prefer to use pumpkin seeds and rye kernels as per the original recipe, but practically it is not always possible to have enough seeds on hand and for this bake I'd run out so used a mix of seeds from the cupboard; this bread is still delicious with whatever is available.


There are variations of Danish rye, for example, this Stanley Ginsberg Danish rye recipe seems to only have about 20% in seeds, and possibly a more sour taste to it.
I take care when making this bread to keep the rye sponge fairly 'sweet' and I like to give it a final build 3-5 hours before using it in the final dough for this reason. The levain was made over 3 builds to achieve the 166% hydration sponge. Build 1 was 5g sweet stiff wheat starter:50g dark rye flour:50g water. Build 2 was the above:160g dark rye:160g water. Build 3 was the above:125g dark rye:344g water and 540g of this was used in the final dough when it was 3 hours old. Of course, there are lots of ways to make the levain and two alternatives are offered with the original recipe.

Sune's instructions for knowing when to bake is when the bread has risen 30-50% in the pan and there are 6-7 pinhead sized holes on top. I'd tend to agree with that, although for this bake the rye flour was super active and had reached the top of the pans after only 3 hours with many pinholes; consequently they were baked a little earlier than was usual and had some minor cracking on the top but otherwise I think the fermentation was spot on.

And, for this bake, inspired by Lance I tried painting on flour paste and starch washes to get some "glanz" on these breads, which sort of worked, they looked prettier than normal but I doubt you'd notice it unless you were looking carefully.

Besides the open sandwiches, this bread is great toasted and with a lot of butter. The Dane's have a special word for the tooth marks you leave behind when the butter is super thick, it is tandsmør ("tooth butter").
These breads are sweet and dense with a highly satisfying mouth feel, and I highly recommend this recipe if you love 100% rye or not.

 

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Useful Tips in Hamelman's "Bread"

April 9, 2024 - 3:42pm -- louiscohen
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The book is just packed with information for all its audiences, from home bakers to professionals, It might not be ideal for absolute beginners because there is just so much information there.

I have been using the book (2nd and now 3rd editions) since I started baking bread, well before COVID.  Every now and then I browse some of the general information, and I usually learn (or often re-learn) something useful.

Here are a couple of things that are relatively inconspicuous but are very helpful:

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Benito

Last bake down here in Fort Lauderdale for the season for one last dinner party.  Fougasse really are fun to bake, the shaping especially is.  Trying a different flavor this time using sun dried tomatoes, pecorino cheese and oregano.  Once again this is a very delicious bread and perfect for those who want to maximize the crispy crust.  It is exceptionally difficult to keep bread crispy down here in humid Florida, but a few minutes in the oven just before serving does the trick.

Levain Overnight

12 hours warm room temperature 74-76°F. 

 

In large bowl add the water and the levain then dissolve.  Then add salt and sun dried tomato oil, then whole wheat flour and mix, finally add bread flour. After 10 mins of autolyse, slap and fold to develop the dough moderately.  Towards the end of mixing add the grated Pecorino cheese, oregano and chopped sun dried tomatoes through stretch and folds in the bowl.  Finally give the dough a bench letterfold and place into the bowl.

 

At 30 min intervals give the dough coil folds.  After the third set give the dough 1 hour 30 mins rest.

Allow the dough to rise to about 40-50% then shape.

 

To remove the dough from the bowl drizzle olive oil onto and around the edges of the dough.  Then gently spread the olive oil over the surface and around the sides.  In the bowl flip the dough to oil the bottom of the dough.

Transfer the dough to a parchment lined tray, smooth side up and gently stretch the dough out into a rough triangle.  Rest for 10 mins then cut the dough.  Make 2 or 3 short vertical cuts from the base of the triangle to the top, leaving space between the cuts. While cutting, use your other hand to gently spread the dough with your fingers to encourage it to open and prevent it from sticking back together. After cutting, spread the sides of the triangle outward to widen the cuts even further. Next, make diagonal cuts from the center cuts outward toward the sides of the triangle, while spreading the sides outward so the cuts open wide.  Use scissors if making edge cuts.  Place into a large plastic bag and close.  Allow to proof for 1 and a half to 2 hours.  30 mins prior to the end of proof pre-heat the oven to 450°F. 

 

The dough should pass the finger poke test when ready to bake.  Prior to baking brush the dough with more olive oil and top with more grated pecorino cheese to your liking. 

 

Bake at 450°F for 25-30 mins on the lowest rack rotating partway through.

 

After baking brush with olive oil and you can add herbs to your olive oil to add more flavour if you wish.

 

Cool on a rack.

 

Best eaten the day of bake. Reheat a minute or two under the broiler.

My index of bakes.

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Mass Effect

April 9, 2024 - 2:26pm -- louiscohen

In "Bread". Hamelman writes that he  used to think wrongly that larger batches of dough developed (gluten)  faster than smaller batches.  However, larger batches of dough do ferment faster.

He explains that smaller batches develop gluten faster because each turn of the mixer in a small batch manipulates a higher percentage of the dough than in a large batch.

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