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The Roadside Pi...

04/05/2024

Aim:

Participation in Ralph Nieboer's Breadworks FB group community bake. " The Winston knot". To become capable, and proficient in shaping and baking a six strand Winston knot Bread.

Winston knot community bake.

Woke up, got out of bed and dragged a buffing rag across my head. I made my way to the kitchen and got an early start! 

Photos

1. Tangzhung water roux. (150°F)

2. Rough looking dough after initial mix

3. Smooth dough after mechanical gluten development.

4. Dough is looking as a treat after stretch and fold #1.

 

Deviation for formula. 

120g of roux used to account for bowl loss and for ease ( 6 parts at 20 g) 5 parts water, one part flour.

.165% instant yeast in place of fresh yeast 

Sourdough was unfed discard.

 

Modus operandi

Room temperature. 72°F

 

The Water, warm roux, and melted fat ( 10 g bacon fat, and 40 g shorting) were mixed together to temper.

 

Mechanical mix: 15 minutes low Bosch Universal #1 8 minutes Bosch Universal #2. 

Observations so far

The relatively low hydration dough took a bit to come together. Next time, I will hold back the fats until some gluten is developed. Aside from this the dough is now looking really nice. The elasticity is excellent. In fact I may forgo stretch and fold #2.

Stop by later for the epic finish! (I hope)

 

 

 

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Something that puzzles me

April 4, 2024 - 6:52pm -- Laeth

Hello bakers,

I recently read Sarah Black’s One Dough Ten Breads book and while I found it very interesting, there was something that puzzles me in her baking instructions : for all the recipes she uses the lava rocks method to create steam in the home oven, but she never removes them after the customary first 15-20 mins which is what I’ve learned ever since I started making sourdough and other artisan loaves.

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Mister C

After two successive failures, I finally succeeded with Maurizio Leo’s Beginners Sourdough Bread.

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BIEN CUIT 30 HOUR LOAF

April 4, 2024 - 12:10pm -- dswphoto

I have seen some discussion about this recipe here and other places on the internet. Trying to get it right but its over proofing (I think) in the refrigerator. Here's the recipe/process for 2 loaves:

Night before:

9:30PM 

Mix 

100 GRAMS STIFF STARTER

200 GRAMS 60 DEGREE WATER

200 GRAMS KING ARTHUR BREAD FLOUR

Leave at 74 degrees room temp

 

Next Day:

11:00AM Starter has doubled in size and just begun to drop.

Mix Starter + 600 grams water at about 56°F 

Add

600 grams white bread flour

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JonJ

When I'm in the mood nothing beats a fresh chewy bagel and for me this can be one of the most satisfying breakfast or lunch breads. I know some people aren't so into bagels, but I just think that (maybe) they've never had a great boiled bagel that came out of the oven a few minutes ago.

So, I bake a lot of bagels and thought it might be good to write a bit about my preferred recipe here. First a disclaimer - it isn't really mine - it is mostly Jeffrey Hamelman's "Bagels with Pâte Fermentée" recipe!

Where I make it differently is that I think using a regular hydration (100%) unsalted sourdough starter plus a little wholemeal flour brings with it a lovely flavour and freshness, and that this makes for a great replacement for the pâte fermentée from the original recipe.

Dough then becomes:
   
    690g bread flour
    76g  wholemeal flour
    200g levain (100% hydration, made with bread flour, usually from overnight ferment)
    397g water at around 30°C
    18g  salt
    1 3/4 teaspoons instant yeast
    1 1/4 teaspoons diastatic malt powder

Also, instead of sprinkling the baking sheet with semolina or cornmeal as Jeffrey does, what works well for me is a quick spritz of water and a sprinkling of brown rice flour which makes it easier to pick up the bagels for the boil. I've also figured out that I like bagels with a slightly shorter bake - so about 15 minutes at 230°C for the nice chew and softness.

This hybrid version, and Jeffrey's original pâte fermentée, are such lovely go-to recipes for bagels.

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Flour in the USA vs. flour in Spain

April 3, 2024 - 6:27am -- Colettew
Forums: 

I am an avid bread baker in the USA.  I have been making a no knead dried cherry walnut bread in a dutch oven for a couple years in the USA.  I always use King Arthur unbleached all-purpose flour there.  But when I try to make here in Spain I have tried the Harina de Trigo.  The dough turns out SO wet.  It still tastes very good but, the crust turns out quite hard.  I am thinking that I need to try a stronger flour, like Harina Fuerza but I am not sure.  Can anyone on this forum help me with this?

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albacore

I've been thinking about making a rye tin loaf off and on for a while and chanced upon a Rye Baker TFL post:

https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/44945/outstanding-russian-rye-bread-moskovskiy-rzhannoye-khlebv

The post came with a nice looking loaf, so I thought I would give it a try.

As always, a few tweaks:

1) I used 60% freshly milled rye and 40% light rye for the flour mix. Like Stan, I didn't want the crumb to be too solid, so I decided against 100% wholegrain (sorry Suave!)

2) I used "proper" Solod for the red rye malt and malt extract (ND) in place of molasses

3) Stan's timings make for a long baking day, so I made the sponge the night before with a lower temp and bigger flour to starter ratio

4) I gave my diecast alloy rye tins an outing - the hard to find L6 and the smaller L12a Borodino tin

5) Stan's dough weight is a bit off to get the tins full. I've seen (tin vol) X 0.65 or 0.67 for suggested dough weight. The L6 holds 2000ml brimful and in the end I went for 1200g of dough, which worked out pretty well, but I think it would have stood 1300g.

6) I like this type of bread to have shiny tops, so I did the 3 coat system: flour paste before baking and 2 x cooked potato starch paste at the end of baking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was pleased with how the loaves turned out. Flavour was good: some mild lactic sour and pronounced malty and aromatic notes. It wasn't as sweet as the Borodinsky I made a while ago - I put this down to using a scald rather than the mash (Zavarka) that my Borodinsky recipe used. A scald will soon cool below mash temperature (but probaly not in a bakery setting), so there won't be much starch to sugar conversion. I'm not sure if the scald is correct or the mash, but if making again I would try the mash.

 

Lance

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