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finaly made it

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nbicomputers

finaly made it

norms roll 2

Just got back from the suppler.

picked up everything but the shortening dam i forgot it ill get it in a week or so i do have enough on hand to het stared for the holidays

just so it was not a lost day i made these

norms roll

roll crumb

 i made a video showing the way to shape  but it did not come out well i will edit it and post it i guess to you tube and link to it latter.

when you see the vid note thst the thumb does not move or come out of the roll untill the last fold. about 1/3 to 1/2 of the dough is folded over the thumb. you will also see that each bloomed in the oven and is  not atached to the other folds. by the look you can tell the roll is hand shapped and not cut or stamped. rye flour helps this with out it the roll will look like the shape is cut into the dough rather than formed.

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Eli

Norm,

Those are great!! I can't wait to see the video. Now is that the recipe that you have shared with us? The crumb looks very close to mine. You seem to have a better crust. Is there a difference in the heat or anything other than shaping between the onion rolls and Kaiser?

The onion rolls are amazing and thanks again!

Eli

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nbicomputers

baked at 450 with lots of steam and very full proof

and nope the same mix for both

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dmsnyder

Hi, Norm.

Very nice.

I'm going to give these a second try this weekend. I'd rather see your video before I tackle shaping them, but I'm doing them in any case.


David

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nbicomputers

 did the first two rolls at full speed the next were slowed down so you can see how its done.
video quality is poor need to get a better cam

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX9vAUb9y7I

 

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SteveB

Norm, great video!  This is the first video I've seen on the proper way to shape a Kaiser roll.  Thanks for creating and posting it.

SteveB

www.breadcetera.com

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dmsnyder

Hi, Norm.

Thank you so much for posting the video! The technique is significantly different from what I had imagined.

After the sour ryes and San Joaquin Sourdoughs I baked today, plus the errands, I didn't get around to making kaiser rolls. Now, I'm glad I got to see the video first.


David

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holds99

You've still got the touch.  Thanks for posting the video.

Howard

EDIT: Norm, Charlene and I just finished watching your video for the second time and I think we've got it.  You're sly...keeping that thumb concealed...like David Blane  the magician doing the old "hidden thrumb" trick.  Seriously, thanks so much for sharing your technique for the Kaiser rolls.  I NEVER had a clue as to how they were shaped before watching your video. 

Now, all you have to worry about is someone from the baker's union seeing the video and calling you in front of the Grievance Committee for giving away trade sercets :>)  Charlene sends her thanks too.

HO

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nbicomputers

was not trying to hide the thumb  ( wink-wink)

once you fold the first third of the dough over your thumb you have to keep it there to hold the fold open so when you get to the last fold you give a half twist and stick the last fold in the open pocket where your thumb was.

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Paddyscake

That was very cool. I had no idea that shaping Kaiser rolls was so labor intensive. Loved watching the speed at which you shaped the first 2 rolls. I'm sure if I tried moving as fast as you did I'd end up smashing my thumb.

Betty

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nbicomputers

been there--done that lots of times. just lose concentration for a second and you chop you thumbb the fist hit is right at the tip of your thumb.

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clazar123

I watched your video several times on shaping Kaiser rolls and it was GREAT! I wish I could come and just watch you bake bread. I'm sure I would learn a lot.Do more videos-please!


The question I have is that I notice you flip the roll over after forming it. Does it proof and bake that way?

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nbicomputers

rolls are proffed upside down and turned over right side up to bake

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2doughnuts

Darn. We bought a Kaiser press from KAF. Wished we had seen your video before wasting our money. Looking forward to making more Kaiser Rolls with your method. Also thank you for the tip about the rye flour helping to keep the bloom. Marisa and Jim

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SvenDowideit

I came across this at just the right time, and, like so many other things on the fresh loaf, inspired me to have a go

Its amazing to me that Norman's video is the only one that uses this method when you search youtube for 'kaiser rolls' - though when you search for the german 'KaiserSemmel' you get more.

I'm sure it'll take ages to get the final shape right, but what fun.

Cheers! Sven