Submitted by phxdog on June 19, 2008 - 2:40pm

Mesquite Flour?

June is one of the two months out of the year here in Arizona for harvesting mesquite pods. These are often used in place of hardwood chips to smoke meats, AND to grind into flour. The pods make a rather sweet flour (no gluten, obviously). I've read that a tablespoon or two adds a distinct flavor to breads. I have never tried this flour in a bread recipe (yet). Has anyone every tried mesquite flour? I think I'll try it tonight . . . I'll let you know.

Phxdog (Scott)

Mesquite Disaster

Yesterday, I gathered up a pile of mesquite pods and brought them home to grnd into flour. What an adventure, I thought.

First rough grind was done in a heavy duty blender to reduce the pods to a size I could feed into my mill. I adjusted the mill for a 1st run & gave the mixture a rough grind; everything was fine up to that point. The second milling began with a strong smell, I ignored it, and pushed on. The final milling adjusted to produce a very fine grind, sounded very odd then slowed and stalled in the middle of the grind.

I adjusted, I turned on & off, I ran some wheat through, I tried just about everything. I soon realized that I had really screwed-up. The next 2 hours were spent removing a newly discovered mesquite epoxy from my mill stones. Once I finished, I was left with a spotless and once again functioning mill (and a resolve to PURCHASE my next batch of exotic flour).

I was so mad at myself, I did not even try to use the 3 tablespoons of mesquite flour that I had tbefore the crash. Oh well, live & learn.

Grinding Mesquite Flour in AZ

Check out this site:

http://www.desertharvesters.org/how-we-run-mesquite-millings/

 On November 1, you can have your beans ground for one dollar a gallon in Phoenix:

http://www.desertharvesters.org/how-we-run-mesquite-millings/

 

 

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3 Sourdough X-File Star Award

phxdog,

You are now the proud recipient of Three Sourdough X-File Stars! Five would have been awarded if you had proceeded to bake bread with those three tablespoons...,

For discovering mesquite epoxy and for having the guts to report a giant screw-up you are awarded Five Sourdough X-File Stars! Interesting things are discovered when you least expect it! Levity aside, I think you found out why you need to dry the newly harvested items to reduce the water content. Sometimes this requires "cracking", "rolling" or "crushing" the items to expose the internal structure otherwise you're apt to discover a new organic form of epoxy...,

Wild-Yeast

mesquite flour

Welcome to the world of mesquite. I've worked with mesquite beans for 30 years. Even if you take if off the desert floor with air temperatures of 110F the pods are not dry enough to mill. YOu have to dry them at about 125 F for 6 hours to take themoisture from 12% to about 6%. I have learned this the hard way. Im a plant scientist who has worked on genetic improvement of mesquites and also am a partner in Casa de Fruta that has mesquite flour in all of the Arizona Whole Foods.  IN addition to drying it, we also wash the pods in chlorinated water to get off surface dirt and contamination. Im at eval(unescape('%64%6f%63%75%6d%65%6e%74%2e%77%72%69%74%65%28%27%3c%61%20%68%72%65%66%3d%22%6d%61%69%6c%74%6f%3a%50%65%74%65%72%5f%46%45%6c%6b%65%72%40%68%6f%74%6d%61%69%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%22%3e%50%65%74%65%72%5f%46%45%6c%6b%65%72%40%68%6f%74%6d%61%69%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%3c%2f%61%3e%27%29%3b')) if you have any other comments

Peter

 

The mexican mills that store hundreds of tons of mesquite pods for animal feed have a horrible time grinding it because they dont want to dry it- their grinders also gum up. It is very good that you shared this with others.

Crust browning with mesquite flour

Hello I have a nice PDF file with fotos of various types of loaf and flat bread with mesquite showing the browning effect. I guess  you cant upload PDF files but if you send me an email I will  send you the file.

 

Peter

Peter_Felker@hotmail.com

Crazy enough to try again

OK,

Now I'm all excited to try grinding some mesquite flour again. This time, I think I'll start with a bit more research & follow-up on what you all have suggested. Thanks -

Phxdog (Scott)

Peter Felker Thanks Scott I

Peter Felker

Thanks Scott

I have some recipe and fotos I would like to send to you. I dont see how to do this on this site. Please send me an email. Peter_Felker@hotmail.com

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Me too - gummed up mess

Hi, phxdog,

I did mesquite for the first time this year too. But I did do a little research before I started. For example, I dried my beans and thought I was all set. So I started milling. HA! I didn't get the beans dry enough and so had the gummy mess to clean up too. I had to soak my burrs for hours and then use a hard bristle toothbrush to get out the gum. I learned, though, and persevered, and HAVE used the flour. It is delicious! I put some in biscuits one night and didn't tell the family. They all complimented on the taste and asked what I did. Nice experience. I will definitely continue with my mesquite milling and using the meal.

BTW, mesquite beans make an awesome jelly. Cover the beans with water, bring to a boil. Simmer for about 3 hours then turn off the heat. Let pot sit several hours or overnight and then strain the juice. The cooking beans smell something like spiced honey and the jelly tastes that way too.

Hugs,
Anj

Mesquite pods

I also burned up two old blenders trying to grind mesquite pods. Besides the drying of the pods what type of home milling machine would you recommend? I can easily gather 4 to 5 bushels just in my back yard and all my neighbors just throw their pods away. Also there are many palo verde trees in the neighborhood including a huge one in my back yard. I know their seeds make a fine legume flour. Forget about diluting some other flour  with mesquite flour or using mesquite flour as some minor additive. I made 100% mesquite flour muffins for my family and they were great. However, two trashed blenders later I'm looking for a solid fix for my home milling . Some input from someone exprienced in this activity would be deeply appreciated. If I get the wrong equipment and foster another mechanical disaster my wifes support could melt away. My culinary  adventure could be relegated to family storytelling about crazy uncle so and so and his exploding blenders. Thanks

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Milling mesquite pods

Hi, Steve,

I've done some more research on milling mesquite pods.  The mill of choice is a hammer mill, but the cost of one of those is really high.  I read of one area of Arizona where they have get-togethers and mill the beans.  There aren't enough people around here that would do anything with the mesquite beans so that isn't an option for me - the cost of even a small hammer mill is over 3K (at least by the company I had quote me one).  I'd have a hard time harvesting enough beans to make a  return on THAT investment! :-)

I bought an electric impeller impact mill for milling flour (mine is a Blendtec) and that works for the mesquite beans.  Just be sure your mesquite beans are really, really dry.  The fructose in the beans will gum up the mill if not.  You will also have to snap the beans into smaller pieces to be able to feed them into the mill.  The good thing about the impeller impact part is that it cleans itself out as long as the flour isn't too sticky.  I've put my beans through that, and got a lot of long stringy woody part on top and the mesquite flour on the bottom.  The impact mill works on the beans (the hardest part an the part with the high protein) too.

Mills aren't cheap though, so I haven't done this often.  I sure wish I knew a few others in this area that wanted to mill mesquite beans!

Hugs,
Anj

mesquite flour

I'm completely confused about what part of the mesquite pod makes the flour.  Can anyone tell me what part(s) need to be milled into flour and what part(s) need to be thrown away?

Thanks,

MJL

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Mesquite pods

MJL, all of the mesquite pod is used.  If you are using a hand mill, it probably won't work very well on the beans, which are very, very hard and which contain most of the protein.  You still get the taste of the mesquite, though, because that is the pod itself.   It's the pod that contains the fructose that makes the mesquite flour sweet.   Hope this helps!
Hugs,
Anj

MILLING PODS

Good morning,

I have a few more suggestions on milling mesquite pods.  The indians discarded the hard seeds and so do we at CAsa de Mesquite, that is the largest producer of mesquite flour.  I can send you Castetter and Bells 1937 40 page paper on uses of mesquites by indigenous people if you like.

Due to the small size of the seeds(they are 10% by weight of the pods and the even smaller part of the edible part inside the seeds 5% by weight of the pods) it just doesnt make sense to us to grind the whole pods. then you get seed oils that go rancid. One of the major volatiles form entire ground pods comes from rancid seed oils.  The major sugar in mesquite pods according to Becker and Grosjean (1980) Journal of Agricultural and Food  Science is sucrose with no fructose.  The fructose story has become enshrined in local folklore but it simply is not true

I will send  you these papers if you like eval(unescape('%64%6f%63%75%6d%65%6e%74%2e%77%72%69%74%65%28%27%3c%61%20%68%72%65%66%3d%22%6d%61%69%6c%74%6f%3a%50%65%74%65%72%5f%46%65%6c%6b%65%72%40%68%6f%74%6d%61%69%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%22%3e%50%65%74%65%72%5f%46%65%6c%6b%65%72%40%68%6f%74%6d%61%69%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%3c%2f%61%3e%27%29%3b'))

Now if  you want to grind your own pods and have a really nice flour, dry the pods at 120-125F for 6- 8 hours, then drop them into a number 8 manual grinding sausage mill with 3/8 inch holes in the endplate(about $40 from walmart of $75 from a major restaurant supply store). If the pods are correctly dried the seeds (some broken) and a fine flour will gently fall out of the end adn you can use a flour sifter to get a lovely nice smelling sweet flour. if the pods are not dry enough you will get bubble gum in the grinder. You will burn up a small electric sausage grinder in an hour.

 

Good luck.

Did anyone see the mesquite story in teh Bread bakers guild newsletter?

 

Peter

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Re: Milling Pods

Hello, Peter,

I would be very interested in the in both the uses 40 page paper and the nutrition eval paper.  With the drought here, the mesquites are making beans like crazy and I would like to take advantage of this as much as possible.

May I ask a question?  Do you have a brand name on the manual sausage grinder?  I will check into it for sure because I really don't want to ruin my impact mill.

Here's what I found at Walmart.com:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Prago-Weston-10-Deluxe-Meat-Grinder/14321017
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Prago-22-Deluxe-Meat-Grinder/14223928
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Eastman-Outdoors-10-Meat-Grinder/15166679
Would any of these work?

Thank you and hugs,
Anj

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What a wonderful thread! I

What a wonderful thread!

I have often run into mesquite flour at the health store here in Amsterdam, and told myself to find out more about it.

And once again TFL proves its amazing value!

I'm quite sure it's not going to be as fresh and thrilling an experience as what you guys are doing, gathering the pods and milling it fresh and all, but I'm sure going to give the flour a try here. You guys made me curious!

Freerk

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