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Challenger Bread Pan for sourdough

Mark Sealey's picture
Mark Sealey

Challenger Bread Pan for sourdough

Appreciating that it is to some extent a matter of (personal) taste, has anyone first hand experience of the Challenger Bread Pan, please?

I have read several reviews like this one, which suggest it's worth the extra money.

Is the Challenger all it claims to be and the one to get for sourdough especially?

Thanks in advance for your guidance and advice!

 

Keyhole's picture
Keyhole

I have had one for 3 months now. I like it a lot. It does give a better crust imho than the Dutch oven. It retains heat well being that it weighs 22lbs. I have found using parchment paper will keep the bottom of the bread from getting to dark. The price was an issue a first, but when you think about a good enameled cloche cost $120 and they can break. Cast iron is a good choice. The biggest draw back for me is I can only bake one loaf at a time.

hope that helps.

 

Mark Sealey's picture
Mark Sealey

@Keyhole, much appreciated. I would have thought the paper on the bottom (or the loaf) was unnecessary. So now I shall be ready to try that too!

Thanks :-)

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Mark Sealey

Thanks, @idaveindy - Yes, I looked there first. But all comments much appreciated :-)

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barlowpark

IMO it’s not worth it at all. You can get other Dutch ovens that are multi purpose (le cruset, staub, etc.) and are the same price or cheaper if you want to make more standard shaped loaves. It’s all relative though if you’ve got $250 to burn.

 

Mark Sealey's picture
Mark Sealey

Thanks, @barlowpark - I hear you!

bread1965's picture
bread1965

I have and use several old creuset pots I've used over the years. Then I bought one one of these Lodge combo cookers last year. I think it's better than the pots. It's hard to beat and can't imagine the challenger pan will make much difference on a side by side comparison. I could be wrong.. I got it on sale for about 50$. In the picture they show a baked loaf in the deep side of the pan - but you actually place the dough on the pre-heated shallow side when baking.

 https://www.wired.com/story/rave-lodge-3-quart-cast-iron-combo-cooker/

 

Mark Sealey's picture
Mark Sealey

… so thanks, @Bread1965. Your advice appreciated.

Maria Morando's picture
Maria Morando

The answer is Yes!!  I had previously been working with my clay baker. I also have a cast iron dutch oven. Just to note; The Challenger Bread Pan definitely cooks hotter than my cast iron dutch oven. It is thicker and holds more heat.  I have been making sourdough bread for about 2 years. Been through all the ups and downs. Over the last 6 months I have arrived at a place where I can consistently make very good open and airy loaves. But there was always some kind of X factor that was missing. They never looked as gorgeous as the best out there. It is as if I was professional baseball player on a farm team, still considered an excellent ball player, but haven't made it to the major leagues.  The challenger pan has brought me there. I have gotten the basics of sourdough down, but in my oven with my baking vessels, it was good enough but not exceptional baking conditions. So I used my Challenger Bread Pan for the first time. I followed my usual bread skills and produced what I considered a typical loaf ready for baking that I expected to be successful. I loaded the bread onto the preheated baker base. I added a couple of ice cubes onto the very hot plate as recommended. The amount of sizzle and steam was more than I had ever seen with my other vessels or stones because of the increased heat retention. I covered it with the hot lid quickly to catch the steam. Also because I expected it to cook hotter, I lowered my usual baking temperature a bit. Was definitely needed. When I opened the lid after 20 minutes I was so happy at what I saw. Best oven spring ever, lightest loaf ever, and blistering that I had never been able to achieve before. The pics speak for themselves. 

I have heard some people complain that their loaves come out a bit flat in the Challenger. They claim that they need the support from the sides of of a baker. My answer is that their loaves may be lacking the strength to begin with. Many of the best bakers I see use just a stone or a steel with a roasting pan lid, and they introduce steam via wet rags, stones, etc... They don't have any support either, and their loaves are not coming out flat. In conclusion what I can say is that if loaves are coming out flat in this baker, there is a strength, or shaping issue. I highly recommend it and it was money well spent if you are a serious sourdough fan. 

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Maria Morando

Mark Sealey's picture
Mark Sealey

I can now agree with everything you say from first hand experience :-)

Thanks so much for your long and helpful post!

I bought a Challenger pan not long after posting my request here.

Very glad I did.

I have so far used it twice - and the tastes it helped me to achieve were amongst the best I have ever managed to bake.

At the moment, though, I am experimenting with two of the variables you mention:

  1. (whether/)how much to decrease the baking time: I can certainly see myself considering my sourdough loaves fully baked at the earlier times stipulated of the second-stage '…for a further 25 to 35 minutes…' times. So done at 25 minutes
  2. whether/how much to decrease the temperature… I have a new in-place oven thermometer and know my over runs 50°F slow; the usual temperature of, say, 450° might usefully be reduced to 425°, mightn't it?

and those considerations are without my having preheated the pan for an hour! That ought to make them even more applicable.

I was always nervous about doing that with my Lodge Dutch Ovens - especially when enameled… used to half fill with water, but even then it boiled!

So my plan is to preheat for an hour, maybe decrease the temperature by 25°, shorten the second phase of baking by up to 10 minutes, use parchment paper and semolina flour (as suggested by the good people who have been of so much help to me here) as an insulator against possible over-browning on the bottom.

And… continue to experiment.

Thanks again, Maria - I agree your loaves look spectacular. Good luck!